• janguv@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      10 months ago

      Basically: American teenagers/kids think Android is backwards and uncool, even though this is false; Android historically and presently more capable than iOS etc. But big problem for Google in this market. Partly driven by fact that most popular Android phones are cheap and full of bloatware. Some optimism in the Pixel sales and Google should push their own hardware more to address the problem /end

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        Omg its another android apple article. Its been so many years dont know why people can’t move on. Time to discuss pinephone also Thanks for the TLDR bro.

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      Oh great bot of bots, who saves us much time…where are you in our time of need?

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    I hear what they are saying and it definitely has merit. Because the iPhone is so expensive and has a strong brand, and because they love to say “the best iPhone yet” all the time, people get conditioned to believe that the iPhone is better.

    Normally in life the better products are the more expensive products. Having said that, from my observation regular people don’t really put lot of thought into phones.

    As long as it works and let’s them so what they need they are happy. In talking mostly people of 40+ years old. Only techy people like us watch GSMArena videos, compare specs, watch keynotes etc.

    It’s gen Z that seems to be a little more aware of brand, status and care about being in the iMessage group.

    But even that seems to be US only. Here in Europe everyone I know except for 1 couple, have Android phones and when they upgrade they choose Android on purpose. Because we use WhatsApp and Viber, we don’t have the iMessage issue, yet.

    It will probably change because Apple has been working with mobile carriers to push the iPhone at incredibly low monthly prices. And sadly it’s working because I’m seeing more iPhones around, especially amongst those who care about status, be it because they are rich or because they are businessmen and want to convey they are upper class.

    I imagine their children will also grow up with iPhone but I think it will take 1 generation before Apple has a decent market share.

    But then again, this is an island, people don’t have a lot of money, so that might keep things in Android’s favour for longer.

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    Maybe google could make a thing where they give users an pixel for less in exchange for their old iphone (newer -> more price reduction)

    With a 30 day guarantee to give the phone back (data purge and stuff only happens after) the user is not going to really risk anything

    But it could be interpreted as weak, but if a bunch of users stays they can really use it as good publicity so maybe the move would not be that bad.

    I am sure that google could loose a lot of money this way but they are one of the largest companies so they could afford it.

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      Google actually does this already with trade-ins, they gave me $300 for an iPhone SE worth $100 on the second hand market.

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      Come back to me when Apple openly let’s you sideload apps on an iPhone.

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      Despite having an iPad Pro I would say my S23U is more advanced than my iPadOS. My S23U has better external monitor support for one, and file system makes it much closer to actually feeling like a computer over my tablet. Then there’s not needing to use stuff like the Alt store to side load. And apps like syncthing make iOS/iPadOS limitations so apparent with how files sync seamlessly across my Linux, Mac, Windows, and Android devices while my iPadOS is the black sheep in that department with the limited file access when trying out syncthing equivalent apps.

      Apple is a very restrictive mobile that just doesn’t have great compatibility for anything that isn’t Apple. That it doesn’t let it be advanced despite the powerful chip becomes really apparent if you try to do anything more than try and use it outside Apple devices, use external monitors, or even want to split screen when it comes to iOS.

      One thing it has going for it though is long term updates, but my iPad is pretty an expensive glorified comic book reader most of the time now. I found myself wishing iPadOS had the equivalent of edge panels and one hand operations+ so I could just navigate more easily without having to do full hand gestures.

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        As someone who’s struggled with the iOS file system and sync issue, Möbius is an iOS Syncthing client. It costs $5,but so worth it.

        Still can’t auto-sync iOS images, because Apple doesn’t consider them files until you move them to a folder. Even setting up an automation on iOS can’t move them to a folder, since you have to select what to love. So stupid.

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          I’ll give this a look, but I worry the files I would like to sync won’t be available for some with how random the file access is from app to app.

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        Technically, no new Android phone I know of right now capable of securely unlock the phone with your face. But then all iPhone user I know prefer fingerprint to face unlock and hope Apple would implement underscreen scanner

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        Ignoring low hanging fruit answers like “iOS can use Apple apps” or “iOS gets more than 4 years of updates”; These are hardware specific but they work out of the box:

        • I don’t know if this is still true and even if it is, it’s not true for much longer; satellite SOS
        • LiDAR on the pro phones and faceID. Both can be used for 3D scanning
        • this also may not be true anymore but I had a bitch of a time getting my WireGuard VPN to automatically turn on when I left the house on android. I remember a pixel OS upgrade breaking my tasker script. Works fine on iOS.

        Edit: I know android can unlock with your face. That’s not what I’m talking about. The 3D scanning aspect is what’s cool

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          So some iOS devices can do things that all Android devices can’t?

          I mean I can cherry pick stuff some Android devices can do, too.

          None of my four iOS devices can do any of what you’ve listed. (2 phones, 2 ipads)

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            So some iOS devices can do things that all Android devices can’t?

            Yes. Op didn’t stipulate that the differences needed to be true for all of iOS

            I mean I can cherry pick stuff some Android devices can do, too.

            That’s not what Op asked

            None of my four iOS devices can do any of what you’ve listed. (2 phones, 2 ipads)

            I stated some features were hardware specific and if your devices don’t support Wireguard (my third point) then they are really old and likely not supported anymore or maybe work devices that are locked down. Regardless, I didn’t say anything that wasn’t true and I stated caveats where necessary; I answered OP’s question.

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              YOU made that comparison. Which makes your argument, as Click and Clack would say, booooooooogus

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                YOU made that comparison

                Yes. Because that’s what OP asked for:

                I’m genuinely curious, what can iOS do that Android can’t?

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                  YOU made the cherry-picked comparison of specific iOS features to specific Android devices, not Android itself.

                  Sheesh, how disingenuous can you be? Just finish Sophistry 101?

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        Technically, no new Android phone I know of right now capable of securely unlock the phone with your face. But then all iPhone user I know prefer fingerprint to face unlock and hope Apple would implement underscreen scanner

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          Let’s be real, if you’re security conscious then you’re not going to use this method.

          Security conscious folks in the states don’t even use fingerprint readers because law enforcement can force you to unlock them with your fingers, face, etc. due to the fact that information isn’t considered proprietary.

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        I think the point is rather the opposite, what can Android do that iOS can’t? And the honest answer is effectively nothing. It can’t side load unsigned apps. Literally nothing else. So to claim that Android is so super advanced in the article is disingenuous.

        As power users we should be watching both mobile platforms closely and honestly, and demanding parity and improvements in both. The moment we declare one “better” and the other one trash is the moment we stop holding our own platform of choice to account for bettering itself.

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          Just off the top of my head, Android allows multiple browser engines to work on it, allowing firefox to use extensions. Android can torrent, while you can’t on stock iOS without hacks. Firefox with extensions on Android is god send if you’re a power user.

          For someone who claims to be a power user, it’s really showing… And don’t forget open source ecosystem is much much much bigger on Android.

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              Meaning, we dont have extension in firefox. We get it.

              • launchers; icon packs, system ui changes
              • custom roms
              • android kitchen to make your own android
              • those root level apps
              • adb (wireless as well.)
              • linux windows interoperability
              • set your cpu and gpu governor
              • kde connect and other stuff which wants to work in backend can keep working
              • others… i dunno i am bored cannot think of more
              • ability to pirate apks
              • third party stores
              • easier to develop for

              But yeah mostly for nerds🤓

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                This is a great list! Allow me to help expand it:

                • Multiple user accounts (great for kids)
                • Multi tasking split screen with different apps
                • Direct plug-and-play access to files on a computer with a usb cord

                And since it’s impossible to ignore the fact Android allows for hardware choice, there’s hardware benefits like…

                • Faster charging
                • Brighter, more advanced screens
                • High frame rate (Apple is still stuck on 60fps)
                • Foldable
                • Better cameras
                • Charge other devices with your device
                • External storage Alright, there’s a LOT more, but I realized I don’t want to do the legwork haha. These are huge features, though.
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                Some of those are true I don’t think it’s fair to say Android is easier to develop for. I’ve been developing software for both professionally since 2012, and I would argue iOS may be slightly easier, due to the maturity of the tooling and ubiquitous, predictable, and mature system frameworks. I often find myself reaching for some dependency on Android to provide what a one-liner on iOS can do. Just my two cents.

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                  While i understand you are coming from, when i said its easy to develop for android i meanT that i can work in almost any os and the tooling will be available to develop. So its easier to start for most people.

                  I.e. easier to develop without requiring specialized hardware

                  Other than that, what you said is true. java is a VERBOSE language. Kotlin solves this a little

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              Safari is extremely limited, and web developers are starting to hate it. For example, the latest wepm video type that’s been out for years doesn’t work on Safari. It’s the only viable format for making videos small enough to not impact performance.

              As such, iPhone and Mac users often don’t have the same web experience as literally every other Browser. Not many people know this, but now you do!

              Source: I’m a web developer.

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          Are you for real?

          Downloading third party apps is the single biggest advantage I’d argue android has over iOS. This is highly practical - for example, I get zero ads on YouTube, and it even skips the sponsored content. This is free to everyone on Android. You have to pay Google’s troll toll if you want half of that on iOS (you cannot pay to skip the sponsored stuff.)

          You can also easily, and safely install Roms on Android. This extends support for old hardware out, and gives full control over just about every single aspect of your phone.

          Additionally, unless something changed recently, Firefox doesn’t have extensions on iOS still. This means you can’t use vital plugins looks ublock origin to block ads like you do on your computer.

          Next we have one of my favorite features - swapping the entire launcher. You can’t do that on iOS, but on Android you can easily switch between really creative and interesting layouts in seconds.

          There’s a lot of other things Android can do that IOS can’t (multiple user accounts, simultaneously running multiple instances of the same app, multi tasking apps in split screen, advanced keyboards that have gifs and such built in, direct and full access to the storage via usb, changing the default system apps, etc.), but the above are the practical ones I use daily.