Rule of law is obviously sympathetic to Hamas.
it is shaken them to the core that someone leaked it. not because someone did it.
Shaken to the core
I doubt it.
Shaken that the world is seeing it and judging them, not that it happened.
Don’t forget that IDF soldiers executed Gazan ambulance workers after tying them up and hid the bodies and then denied the whole thing
They’ve been executing kids for throwing rocks at tanks for decades.
My understanding the media focus is about how bad it is that this was leaked and that the leakers are bad because it hurts the state of Israel.
Which is exactly what I would expect.
The torture video shaking Israel to its core because it leaked not because of the event happening. The leak is perceived as treason by the majority of Israel and they are fine with the tortures…
My interpretation:
- Netanyahu has already secured political control of Shin Bet (secret police) by swapping its director
- he wants full control of the IDF, but some people haven’t been willing to swear personal loyalty
- most likely, the general advocate was one
- those people are now removed, one by one, with various methods
As a result, the culture of impunity can continue.
The general advocate who was jailed - she was the person who received, among other documents (likely thousands of documents), the recommendations of the IDF internal investigators about the Rafah ambulance massacre (killing of 15 paramedics and destruction of 5 vehicles).
The IDF recommended to do nothing, claiming that they did nothing particularly wrong, just made some mistakes (executed 15 unarmed medics, some at close range with their hands bound, and tried to conceal the deed).
I don’t know what she would have done, but my reading of the background and signals suggests she might have recommended criminal charges. That would have made her removal absolutely vital for the Netanyahu regime.
I’ve let myself watch just one short video of atrocities committed by Israel in the last couple years and I still think about it and choke up thinking about it daily. Just one of many like it.
I am not the strongest person emotionally despite a really tough exterior, I have seen a lot of death and been through some shit. So to think about what’s been happening there all day, every day, to families and children, it’s too much to process. I have to advocate in a completely detached frame or I will be unable to form a cognitive thought.
That’s OK. You’re doing the best you can. Try to go easy on yourself.
The level of suffering people all over the world go through on a daily basis in unimaginable and we’re not capable of caring about it in depth and still functioning. Best you can do is be aware it exists and keep a wall up, only lowering it on occasions where you might be able to help. The fact that you care at all shows you’re not a MAGA monster.
The fact that you care at all shows you’re not a MAGA monster.
It’s wild because I was raised conservative and was one until I left the family compound (let that one sink in) and it was reading, learning and experiencing human life that turned me around pretty fast. I saw science being ignored, I saw heartlessness, I saw them fabricate justification to start a war, and one particular night I saw FOX news play a live feed of a US humvee entering Baghdad shred a civilian truck to pieces with a grenade launcher for no reason, and they were playing patriotic music and had American flags all over the graphics and I got really sick and never watched FOX news again.
I’m so glad you got away from that. It’s hard to not completely succumb to misanthropy sometimes and stories like yours remind me that there’s some hope.
This is just nation level virtue signaling, the Israelis do not give a single shit about the Palestinians.
And it’s just going to get worse. The Israelis are going to eradicate the Gazans and then a few years later they’re going to be crying over how guilty they feel. Not guilty enough to repatriate the Palestinians mind you, it will instead be about helping the Palestinians where they’re now refugees. Israel is liberal Elmo, the state.
they’re going to be crying over how guilty they feel.
No they won’t.
I dont think it has shocked israel. And even if it has, I am sure not for torture but for leaking.
one of their ministers is publicly bragging about treating prisoners like shit and humiliating them, jails have posters of gaza in rumbles with the caption “the new gaza”
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-LvbfPaST-c
Shout out to the future terrorist attacks fueled by the abuse these Israeli’s put these people through. You asked for this by treating people like animals. Just like I told my buddies in Iraq and Afghanistan. Kill a non-combatant and create 20 new combatants.
All to justify the continued genocide.
All religion needs to go. That bullshit is holding humanity back so much.
So tired of people thinking this is about religion. Zionism is a colonial ideology. Its about stealing land and resources. Religion is just the excuse.
Louder for the people in the back. All religion needs to go. That bullshit is holding humanity back so much.
you’re just voicing another ideology that wants to exterminate others. Religion is your whipping boy, and you’re lying to yourself if you think that getting rid of religion fixes the problem.
Bro, getting rid of religion with solve a fuck load of problems considering that people would not fucking use it to justify every goddamn thing they do that is immoral, step off weirdo, I’m not talking about murdering anybody holy shit. That is some textbook weird fucking projection my guy, what’s going on in your life that you have such a weird outlook on things
Look I hate religion as much as any reddit atheist but even if you could magically snap your fingers and remove religion from the world absolutely nothing would change. You didn’t remove evil, just one of its many, many justifications. If Israel wasn’t Jewish, they’d argue that they’re - oh wait they already claim themselves as their own race of people. If pedophiles weren’t priests they’d argue that - oh wait they already do argue that teenagers are biologically prime birthing age. You can remove all the beaches in the world and the ocean wouldn’t grow.
I think wildly different. Getting rid of religion would mean people wouldn’t be getting primed when they were young to believe in stupid spirits and magical fucking thinking. Also the concentration of power in any power structure is just fucked it’s always going to invite unsavory characters
A) yeah bro, without religion kids would engage in far less magical thinking.
B) then your problem is power structures, not religion.
You’re literally doing magical thinking. You think turning off a faucet will stop your house from flooding. You’re the guy that shills for electric cars when our roads are made from oil. Religion literally is your Devil. I promise you, people never needed religion to be shitty, and we have a million justifications if it somehow falls.
You think that preventing exposure to problematic concept prevents infection. you’re right, in the short term. But in the long term, you destroy collective immunity to the concept.
Let it live, fight it when you have to, but don’t think you can eradicate it. It’s to be learned from, not simply destroyed. Otherwise, the experience is wasted, only to be repeated by the next generation.
A) yeah bro, without religion kids would engage in far less magical thinking.
B) then your problem is power structures, not religion.
You’re literally doing magical thinking. You think turning off a faucet will stop your house from flooding. You’re the guy that shills for electric cars when our roads are made from oil. Religion literally is your Devil. I promise you, people never needed religion to be shitty, and we have a million justifications if it somehow falls.
Just so you know – Ataturk tried to secularize a whole nation in the early 1920s, and though it persisted for a few decades, it came back HARD in 1980s and stepped up majorly in the 50 years since then.
It turns out that suppressing cultural beliefs that have persisted for millennia can and will breed resentment.
Give people the option to educate themselves out of the shackles of religion, but do not force them to do it out of your own sense of justice.
So they keep doing the same things using a dozen other excuses as they already do.
No, it won’t solve the problems you think it will. You are misidentifying the problem as being religion. …but the problem is human, and psychological in nature - and, because you can’t see that, you’re just as susceptible to it as any other sot out there, drunk on the idea that you’ve got this one weird trick that solves the issue, and doesn’t involve you sorting your own shit out.
After all, if god did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him.
OP talking about religion for a acts that has nothing to do with religion!
Religion is just the excuse used to do bad things. Without religion the ones doing the bad things will find a new excuse.
And you just offered an excuse to do nothing in the face of relentless abuse.
no, they in no way implied that bad people shouldn’t be stopped.
These comments really illustrate how badly Lemmy has become a homogenised echo chamber.
Users just subscribe to these generalised binary concepts like religion = terrible, and any attempt to demonstrate the nuance is downvoted.
yep. But nuance isn’t visceral enough to grab their attention, so they get owned by those who are nuanced enough to wield the generalized binary concepts.
Literally, a mind virus they can’t recognize - likely crafted intentionally by someone at some point. But even if not, the irony is that this kind of wholesale buy-in to binary concepts is exactly what causes the behaviors they despise in religion.
Like being in detention and expecting the inhabitants to be upstanding citizens.
What is it you’re doing? Making religion disappear is not a thing that will ever happen, even if you write it down a million times on Lemmy.
If it’s not religion, something else would be the guise under which the same people would operate.
While I am also an atheist like you, I don’t think that religion per se is the culprit here, just the interpretation of it by some individuals and the weaponisazation of it for sowing division and hatred. Oftentimes it is also used to control people and that’s harmful.
I don’t think it’s religion so much as the combination of religion with a national identity.
It’s odd to see so many conservatives become rabid defenders of Israel since October 7th, considering there is also a pretty blatant history of antisemitism within the conservative movement in the U.S., especially the Catholic far right.
I’ve never really understood how people can just ignore all the antisemitism present during Trump’s first term. Refusing to denounce neo Nazis or a rally of young men with torches literally chanting “Jews will not replace us,” then accusing anyone that even questions what Israel has done in Gaza of being antisemitic, (seriously wtf?). But, it just kind of hit me that this has very likely been a strategic choice by the new right, along with the sudden embrace of “Christianity” by much of silicon valley.
They see what Israel has accomplished by tying religious identity to patriotism and nationality. It creates a practically impenetrable shield for any accountability. Now the right is trying to re-write the history of the U.S. as a “Christian” nation, not because they give a fuck about religion, but because they want that same shield.
We’re all supposed to believe that everything they create in their man made agenda is somehow carrying out the will of God. Therefore, anyone questioning the men “carrying out the will of God,” are also questioning God. Questioning the U.S. under their leadership means you’re attacking the U.S., questioning God’s will (since we’re now supposed to believe it’s always been a “Christian” nation), and also somehow attacking the entire religion.
They don’t give a fuck about Christ. They don’t give a fuck about Israel. They just want to insulate themselves against the rest of the world in the same model of circular logic. If they succeed, Christian Nationalism for the U.S. accomplishes what Zionism has accomplished for Israel.
disgusting… do they think they can match the usa for atrocities, we got that shit on lock. amateurs.
omfg i hate this world
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Paywall.
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Yeah of course Israel is shocked.
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… ppl can shake from excitement too …
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“We promise that we will never do it again (with the cameras on).”
Apartheid state and I am the least bit surprised. This kind of shit has been going on since the Zionist arrived in the early 20th Century.
