N.B. This is a serious topic. Please stop spreading propaganda about acetaminophen being addictive or causing autism. Please read the study. The point of the study is not about acetaminophen. It is about social pain can hurt as much as physiological pain. Only people with trait of high level of forgiveness responded to acetaminophen. Acetaminophen will not work for you if you not a kind. forgiving person. No need to worry about acetaminophen if you have a weak trait. Kindness can be learned by not trolling
Social pain (psychache), such as ostracisation/rejection/bullying, can hurt as much as physical pain. Forgiveness and acetaminophen have interactive effects on experiences of social pain. Telling victims to just “let it go” is just like withholding pain medicines from patients recovering from surgery.
We need to tell the victims that psychological wounds are like physical wounds. They will heal but the healing processes can be long and painful. Psychological pain may come back in waves, and the scars may remain just like physical scars. If the psychological pain is unbearable, don’t hesitant to seek mental health. “It’s okay not to be okay.” Don’t be persuaded to think “it is all in the head.” Psychological wounds are as real as physical wounds. Good luck.
I once saw an episode of a TV show on exactly this topic. The way they simulated social pain was by telling three people they were playing a game of catch together on a computer but, in reality, each person had its own game with 2 NPCs that would eventually just leave the player out and start throwing the ball among themselves and I just think that’s so mean but kinda funny.
It seems like a weird idea at first, but people self-medicate with all sorts of substances to ease their mental pain. Thinking of it that way, it makes sense that a pain reliever like acetaminophen might help.
This appears to be a tiny undergrad study on something neat. I think y’all are reading too much into this. Also, there appears to be no link between acetaminophen and autism but that has absolutely nothing to do with this study.
I have feel like that pretty often when sad, it does genuinely hurt
So it makes sense to me
So, not only sticks and stones; now words can hurt you!
Yes, it is the essence. Words can hurt. That’s what we have been telling people.
Always have been (able to.)
wait so i can take actual physical pain meds to feel better?
It you have read the article, only for peopl with high level of forgiveness.
Im still wondering what the helll does it mean to have “a high level of forgiveness”
fuck
You can learn to be a better person. We all can.
no way i’m being a “better person” for people that will fuck me over as soon as i let them again.
they be a better person for a change.
That’s how it feels, sure. But you can’t properly control what other people do. You can control what you do.
In situations where you’ve been fucked over, you can’t force the other person to feel guilty, try to make amends or seek your forgiveness. That would be great, but you can’t make it happen. All you can do is move on from it, which means forgiving them. If you hold a grudge, that’s mental effort, time and energy that you’re continuing to spend on them, because of the shit that they did. If you can forgive them, not only does it make you a better person, it also removes the control they have over you. It’s not exactly satisfying, but ask yourself what would be. The past isn’t going to change, and that asshole isn’t going to suddenly grow a conscience. Don’t let their actions ruin who you are by getting consumed with bitter feelings!
I know this is kind of general, and some things are a lot harder to forgive than others, but I find it’s amazing how much easier it gets as time passes. I’ve been treated horrendously over the years and I refuse to hold a grudge. I’ve shaken hands and made jokes with past abusers, which is probably the biggest “fuck you” I could give them. They know what they did; I’m still happy and functioning. They have no power over me, and I certainly will never let them close enough to do that again.
I know this is all a bit unsolicited on my part here, but I just recognised what you wrote as something I’ve felt too, and I would’ve liked someone to tell me this when I was. I’m not trying to preach.it’s fine, i enjoy relating to people’s experiences. i don’t let this kind of stuff consume me anymore though, i treat people how they act towards me. that sometimes includes not being nice.
i draw lines on what i don’t want, and that makes me look unforgiving, but anyone can learn to be better.
in any case i appreciate your thoughtful response.
This is pretty funny given the recent political assertions that Tylenol causes autism, because rejection sensitive dysphoria is a symptom of autism/adhd
Edit: that N.B. is pretentious as fuck. Don’t take an incredibly tiny study with very little scientific traction as fact. Presenting it as fact demonstrates how little the OP understands about research
Wait
I’m abnormally sensitive about rejection because of my AuADHD?
What the flipping fuck. Fuck this shit. What drugs just turn off my brain so I can just be a blob of flesh until I die of old age since they don’t like how often I complain about existence being so goddamn difficult.
Sheesh, tell me about it, just about every quirk of my personality turns out to be an ADHD symptom in the end.
I hear you, I’m ND too. Reading about things like RSD being common in people like us has at least helped me be easier on myself.
Existence is goddamn difficult and I wish I had an answer, because turning my brain off sounds wonderful. Alcohol can do that, but it comes with some awful consequences. I’ve also abused quetiapine, but eventually that fucked me up too. Weed does not play nice with my brain
Man quetiapine just made me panic and feel like I couldn’t breathe. Actually there are a shit ton of “sedating” medications that do that to me thinking about it.
Except of course benzos, but thanks to those being cross tolerant with z drugs, they really gotta pump those in me to work at all.
I’ve had a little success with clonodine.
I remember abilify completely shut off my ability to think. Still had emotions, just no reasoning.
People talk about Dating being this thing that’s easy to do. Yeah. Maybe if you had any choice over what was and wasn’t difficult.
Im thinking about walking into therapy tomorrow and just asking “do I have to work if I’m just gonna be miserable anyway?”
I’m on clonidine for ADHD. I can actually stop myself from speaking out of turn now, so maybe it has been a little sedating xD
Dating is kind of a nightmare. I know people say anyone can find a partner, but that doesn’t take into account things like sensory issues or hard boundaries around other things that keep us sane. I told myself a few years ago that I didn’t want to date while I’m university, but honestly it’s been so nice not forcing myself to fit into other people’s boxes that I might just stay single even after I earn my doctorate
I’m also with you on refusing to participate in a misery machine for a living. I hope you can hash out some kind of misery escape plan with your therapist tomorrow
I’m on a max dosage of clonidine for HBP. I didn’t know it had other effects. It does explain a bit. Thanks for the info.
Naw fuck that, I’d rather be a sloppy mess human than whatever the fuck “normal” standard addition humans are doing. Yeah, it’s difficult, but have you met folks who don’t have mental health issues? There’s like a whole three of them and they’re dead behind the eyes.
Have you read the study? It only work for people with trait of high level of forgiveness. In another word, nice people.
Are you a nice person?
Please read the comments you’re responding to. You’re not making sense.
What the flipping fuck. Fuck this shit. What drugs just turn off my brain so I can just be a blob of flesh until I die of old age since they don’t like how often I complain about existence being so goddamn difficult.
Marijuana.
Different people react differently to molecules. In some people (I think higher prevalency in people with Autism/AD(H)D) the THC is more likely to cause psychosis.
These things are not “one size fits all”, at all.
Edit: When I made this comment the person above was being unfairly down voted. What they said has scientific merit and the reader can easily verify.
What drugs just turn off my brain so I can just be a blob of flesh
Alcohol.
No, that would be one of the worst options. There are far better ones. Not going to advise those either though – substance dependency is not a pleasant thing for anyone.
It didn’t turn off the brain. Read the study. Only people with trait of high level of forgiveness responded. In another word, nice, forgiving people.
Are you a nice, forgiving person? It works for good people only
The commenter that you replied to was expressing despair at how difficult their life is because they have AuDHD. They are not saying that Tylenol can turn off their brain, they are instead asking for recommendations to escape their misery.
You could try understanding the comment chain and comments before saying something that sounds cruel like:
“Are you a nice, forgiving person? It works for good people only”.
Many neurodivergent people grow up abused by their parents because of their needs, and struggle with feeling like they are not good, not good enough, and not worthy of love. Saying what you did, unprovoked, to a ND person can send someone into a self-hatred spiral that is wholly unnecessary and has nothing to do with what they actually said.
It might be a symptom but is it the thing that occurs only in autistic people and normal people do not experience this feeling?
RSD is not limited to people with autism or ADHD. It’s just very common among neurodivergent folks
I mean I didn’t get what you implying, are you telling that gov was right about acetaminophen and autism? The article just says that it can uplift the psychological pain with which I do agree as I have first hand experience
I was just making a joke :)
Tylenol does not cause autism. Given how often people with autism experience RSD it is funny to think that an imagined cause of autism could also be a treatment for one of its symptoms
Did you read the article?
Tylenol has never worked for physical pain in my experience, but can’t say I ever tried it for emotional pain. Glad to hear it does something.
the cause of my autism is also the cure, i see
ugh it was until i turned 27 and started getting hungover from singular beers >:(
Well there’s your problem, you’re not having enough beers.
since nonalcoholic beers have gotten much better in quality and variety, i have been enjoying some lately at least
Any chance ya gluten intolerant? That’s how mine started
Don’t think so given the hilarious quantity of gluten I eat intentionally in the form of seitan. Fuck I really hope not. Eco-friendly cheap protein does not have an abundance of varieties 💀
I should probably do another elimination diet for a month or so to check at some point. Been a few years
That was what I thought too 🙃 then my health problems went away after I stopped lol
I’m already lactose intolerant and while I’m not big mad at that because the dairy industry is rat trash anyway, if i become gluten intolerant I swear to fuck I’m gonna pull a Thought Emporium I FUCKING LOVE BREAD AND SEITAN
Hahaha I was lactose intolerant too! After I stopped gluten I can once again consume copious quantities of lactose without any issue. Apparently that’s a pretty common response
Increased hangover even with less alcohol kicked in for me in my early 30s, but mine was likely due to interaction with prescribed medications I’m still on. Either way, my organs thank me.
yeah I’m only half mad because i have other health issues i need to be working on, i don’t need to be adding a carcinogen into the mix
plus, all the homebrew and cocktail hipsters are also getting old, so the NA beverage industry is gaining momentum
Seedlip and Pearson’s spirits, Asahi Zero and Athletic beer, Lyre’s cocktails, and BOLLE and French Bloom wines are some of my craft NA faves
You telling me I can painkiller my way away from the massive amounts of cringe I generate? Say less, lemme go buy a costco-sized barrel of excedrin
You get deep enough into any emotion and it will start overlapping physical neurotransmitter pathways.
Just ask anyone thats done research into schizoid personality disorder.
“The part of the computer that does one thing is connected to the part of the computer that does another thing 🤯”
Except our brains can change their wiring.
Old doctor joke: Patient: “Hey Doc, it hurts when I do this.” Doc: “Quit doing that!” Same holds true of social pain. Trust yourself, stay true to yourself, avoid the pain sources, and ‘find the others’.
More easily said than done, for some of us.
Life is about recognizing and solving problems.
Life is also about not wasting your time on the problems that are too costly for you to resolve while you have other things to worry about.
This life is not so simple and pleasant as to give everyone the opportunity to figure out how to solve every one of their problems, least of all those whose physiology or neurochemistry make certain of those problems significantly more difficult for them than for others.
Okay but how do I avoid homelessness and starvation when the cause is going to work?
There is also research that shows that acetaminophen is not a particularly effective pain reliever, or at least, that it is only an effective pain reliever for a subset of the population.
So I don’t know how much this would prove.
It works for me it also gives me a little bit of a buzz. I usually take ibuprofen though unless it’s something bad in which case I take one of each.
its much weaker than the non-selective cox inhibitors, naproxen, ibuprofin or even aspirin. in managing fever and pain. its only useful in mild pain that isnt chronic and not severe pain.
Ibuprofen is the stuff of the gods.
Anecdotally it doesn’t work for me, exactly. It sort of makes me feel numb and slow. So sometimes I take it specifically to get that feeling. This happens even in small doses.
Great now autism is going to spread from parent to children
Propaganda can be spread like wild fire
I hit something a little different for my depressed attitudes and it works as good as a prescribed medication. Alpha GPC
If alpha GPC (choline) works you might have methylation mutations impacting your folate metabolism. Have a look at methylfolate, b2 and methylcobalamin and maybe get your MTHFR, MTR, MTRR, COMT genes tested. The supplement trimethylglycine might do ya wonders too
Yeah I’m not doing any of that. Already don’t have a full deck to play with, so they could just call it that and fee me to the poorhouse for the priviledge. Alpha gpc’s main attraction is its cheap and easy to get
Alpha GPC is literally the most expensive thing on that list, those are vitamins B2, B9 and B12. You’ll probably benefit from egg yolk which contains the fat soluble version of alpha GPC (choline)
I have all that here, too and so far they’ve done nothing but make my pee neon yellow for a couple days. A-gpc hits me about 30 minutes after ingestion and lasts about 4 hours. At 150mg dosage it lasts me twice as long as the rda
