• SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works
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    9 months ago

    Palestinians have been repeatedly kicked out of their homes for decades and decades ever since the late 40s, with their lands, homes and lives destroyed over and over again. An Israeli person born into the conflict who hasn’t actively supported ethnic cleansing isn’t guilty. This is a cursed problem because Palestinians deserve to have all the land back, but there are plenty of innocent Israelis who do not deserve to be robbed of their homes due to the crimes of previous generations.

    Since Israel’s actions have made a 2-state solution impossible, the only potential just solution would be a single state where both Palestinians and Israelis are free and equal citizens, and Palestinians are paid reparations. This is currently impossible because both populations are immersed in a cycle of violence and desire for revenge. So we should, at the very moment, focus on solutions that seek to immediately stop the continued murders, and hope that this calms down the bloodlust as the months and years come by. I don’t see any way in which this is possible without the joint efforts of the historical allies of Israel and Hamas twisting their arms in order to prevent further abuse, and possibly establish a justice system that oversees and judges the crimes from actors of one side against the other.

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    Gaza West Bank and Israel all have to be dissolved. “Give the land back” implies land can be owned at all, which fundamentally violates the right of others to freedom of movement.

    Guthrie said it best,

    There was a big, high wall there that tried to stop me

    A sign was painted said “Private Property”

    But on the backside, it didn’t say nothing

    That side, was made for you and me

    What needs to happen is the abolition of Israel and Palestine and the replacement of both with a south levant confederation that absolutely guarantees the equal rights of all citizens, and absolutely cracks down to the draconian nth degree against supremacism or separatism.

    The Israelis have ruined the two state solution with their settlements in WB and in the Golan heights, so now they get to live with the consequences of democratic accountability instead of doing the rez shit America pulled where nobody felt like answering if indigenous folks were citizens too until they were demographically outnumbered enough to not retaliate against the politicians that screwed them.

    Hamas are not freedom fighters, their the corrupt rez boss family that wittingly or not are the extension of the state’s oppression over the people.

    Also before anyone tries to cry wolf Anti-Semite, Israel’s a major funder of stateside politicians that ferment antisemitic sentiments by tolerating it among their supporters. Why you may ask? Because American Jews rejected Zionism heavily since their state of being in the US served as a direct refutation of the idea that Jews needed their own ethnostate to ever be safe. Israeli Jews often openly contempt American Jews for being “woke” since even orthodox american Jews can be considered more liberal than their European and Israeli counterparts.

    Israel wants to make America as hostile to Jews within their borders as possible because every family that flees to Tel Aviv over a swastika painted on the synagogue is another house they get to take from the Palestinians, and another “point” in the score in their vendetta against American Jews having rejected the initial call at Israel’s establishment.

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    9 months ago

    They didn’t stole any land. One needs to know some history, but many sadly don’t.

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      9 months ago

      While i agree with you to some extent, your delivery sounds like you just wanna be contrarian.

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          Your delivery wasn’t really that of a person that knows what they are talking about. Still sound like a contrarian. But now also like a douche.

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    If the cartels took complete control of Mexico, stopped all elections, and then stated their goal was to kill all Americans; do you think that we might start patrolling our border a little harder and deliver Mexico a bit of freedom?

    The current situation is an absolute disaster and a sad case for innocent civilians who couldn’t even vote out Hamas if they wanted to. But there is a reason that Israel is in the West Bank in the first place, there will never be peace in that region until Hamas is stripped of all power in Gaza. Israel is surrounded by religious extremists on all sides that would genocide them if given the chance.

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      9 months ago

      This comment right here gives me hope for lemmy. First person I’ve seen who can think for himself here.

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    9 months ago

    By that you mean the illegal settlements in the West Bank, and not ‘The Jews must be driven to the sea’, right?

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    9 months ago

    Are the Arab nations that expelled the Jews in the 40s and told them to go to Israel, going to give them their homes and citizenship back?

    Didn’t think so.

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    9 months ago

    Jews are from Judea, Arabs are from Arabia, the Arabs should give the Jews ALL their land back including Jordan, and the Africans all their land back, and fuck off back to Arabia :>/

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      9 months ago

      I guess you also want all the non-indigenous people in the Americas to move back to where their ancestors came from, too? England and Spain are gonna get really crowded.

      GTFO with this racist bullshit. What you’re calling for is called ethnic cleansing.

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        He actually straight up calls it a cleansing in a comment from one day ago:

        Hamas and Hezbollah financier, Iran, who calls America the Great Satan, and Israel the Zionist Entity which it will wipe form the history books, two weeks after “Palestinian” Islamofacist Terrorists stormed into Israel and slaughtered, raped, and burnt close to 2 thousand Israelis, concerns are noted.
        The war will end, once Hamas and PIJ are cleansed from Gaza, and then Gaza will look far different than it does today, with far greater buffers between where the Arabs will live and the Israeli border. It’s not going to end a millisecond before that is achieved, come what may.
        We’ve got the US battle group in the Eastern Med, and we’re ready to take on all fucking comers.

        So yeah, do your part and report this guy. I have multiple times and nothing has been done.

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        To be fair the Arab nations surrounding Israel has been calling for Jewish ethnic cleansing of the holy lands for the past 60 years.

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          9 months ago

          Crimes against humanity do not stop being crimes against humanity just because someone else is also bad.

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        Here is a list of peace offers which would grant the Palestinians a country of their own, they refused all of them

        1937 - Peel commission, rejected

        1947 - Partition resolution, rejected

        2000 - Camp David, rejected

        2001 - Taba, rejected. Arafat starts the second intifada and a year later changes his mind.

        2008 - Olmert offer, rejected

        Hamas have tried to agree to boundaries Despite media attempts to portray it as a new Hamas charter, it is not. The new ‘policy document’ accepts the creation of a Palestinian state in 1967 borders, but still rejects Israel and claims its territory. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39775103

        Here are some other noteworthy peace meeting or proposals from Israel to the rest if the Arab world, which were rejected

        1919: Arabs of Palestine refused nominate representatives to the Paris Peace Conference.

        1920: San Remo conference decisions, rejected.

        1922: League of Nations decisions, rejected.

        1937: Peel Commission partition proposal, rejected.

        1938: Woodhead partition proposal, rejected

        1947: UN General Assembly partition proposal (UNGAR 181), rejected.

        1949: Israel’s outstretched hand for peace (UNGAR 194), rejected.

        1967: Israel’s outstretched hand for peace (UNSCR 242), rejected.

        1978: Begin/Sa’adat peace proposal, rejected (except for Egypt).

        1994: Rabin/Hussein peace agreement, rejected by the rest of the Arab League (except for Egypt).

        1995: Rabin’s Contour-for-Peace, rejected.

        2000: Barak/Clinton peace offer, rejected.

        2001: Barak’s offer at Taba, rejected.

        2005: Sharon’s peace gesture, withdrawal from Gaza, rejected.

        2008: Olmert/Bush peace offer, rejected.

        2009 to 2021: Netanyahu’s repeated invitations to peace talks, rejected.

        2014: Kerry’s Contour-for-Peace, rejected.

        Not gonna link Trump’s imbecilic peace plan as an example.

        Here is a list of peace offers the Palestinians the governing body of palestinians offered to Israel -

        None

        • PM_ME_FEET_PICS@sh.itjust.works
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          1. Isreal outstretched arms in peace… Just after laying waste to people’s homes and killing innocent lives.

          The fact of the matter is no one will agree to live in a portion of thier homeland, especially one were priced farmland and religious sites lay.

          They have historically lived in the area longer than the Jewish population.