• rivermonster@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    Wouldn’t genocide be an effort to kill all Palestinans everywhere, like the millions in other Arab states?

    You know, instead of focusing on the elected government of Gaza (who still has 57%+ support amongst Gazan civilians), who targeted 1200+ civilians intentionally in one of the worst terroist attacks of recent memory?

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      Definition Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide

      Article II

      In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

      in whole or in part. Not that you care, just for anybody wondering what the Geneva convention says. Though people should not base their morality on law, even UN law.

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        Which is why Hamas who is intentionally co-locating (and the target of the attacks) in what would otherwise be protected targets is a war crime.

        If Hamas was not using civilian shields and being aided by the majority of Gaza residents who support them, then absolutely it would be a war crime.

        It’s just that unlike many armchair legal scholars here, I’m aware that the intended terrorist targets make this a nonsense legal argument. Again, without Hamas there you’d be correct.

        The convention isn’t written in a vacuum. And misusing and diminishing the term genocide a bad idea.

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          The genocide of Palestinians by Israel has been going on way longer than Hamas has existed.

          I am no armchair legal scholar, I 've already argued against placing too much value on legality. It is you on the other hand who tries to minimize the severity of Israel’s wrongdoings by arguing pseudo-legalistic semantics.

          If the 1948 convention never existed, Israel’s actions would be just as reprehensible.

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          being aided by the majority of Gaza residents who support them

          “It’s not genocide, but if it is they deserve it”

          Fucking disgusting Nazi logic.

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            Stating a fact that’s not convenient to your false narrative: “you’re a Nazi”. I realize there are people here who can not reason or be reasoned with—its sad.

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              Stating a fact that’s not convenient to your false narrative

              Which fact? That Gaza civilians deserve to be slaughtered because of their alleged support of Hamas?

              Honestly who are you trying to convince here?

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              no, collective punishment by genocide is about as Nazi as you get, then again, no wonder you got upset at it, you don’t even view “brown people” as human, they are all Terrorists, every Gaza Child is nothing but another terrorist, so why not kill them?

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      In case anyone is on the fence about this issue and doesn’t realize this is easily disproven misinformation, there hasn’t been an election for the president or legislature in Palestine since 2006.. Hamas has maintained a stranglehold on the region for seventeen years by discontinuing elections.

      Even if that was true, this is a bad faith argument anyhow: it’s entirely possible to focus on the atrocities being committed by both sides. Rivermonster simply seems to enjoy regurgitating Israeli propaganda.

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        Except that still males them the official and elected government. It’s weird that you want to ignore the facts. That you decide they’re illegitimate just bc it doesn’t fit your narrative is what’s wrong.

        They still have majority support amongst residents. If there were an election today, they’d dominate. Who do you think would win? The PLA, Fatah, and West Bank can’t get rid of them fast enough. They want Hamas in there, too.

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          I will remind you that current official members of the Israeli government mocked a holocaust survivor by saying they deserved it, and if it were up to him, it would have been twice as bad.

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                Why are you so fixated on PoC, are you a racist? Plus, the way you call them “brown ones” is really not okay. Your rhetoric makes it sound pejorative and derogatory.

                And you do know that there are both Israelis and Jews who are PoC, right? It doesn’t sound like you know that.

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      That’s true, the elected government of Gaza is a horrible fascist state and they are just as bad as the monsters who are gunning down civilians in that region. However that doesn’t mean the people of Gaza aren’t worth saving and don’t have value. I just don’t understand why, when we’re talking about a relatively small strip of land, the Palestinians can’t have their own self-governed state, free from interference by Israel. Or is that just too much to ask for in this world.