Are you looking for credit for almost being a state governed by sane politicians? Almost doesn’t count for much against fascism.
Texas is certainly not the only state with this problem but you’re also not the only state that’s close to giving Republicans the boot. Until it happens the rest of the country has every right to talk trash on the ridiculous bullshit that passes for political discourse there.
People who say stuff like this don’t understand how anything works. Sure, talk trash about policies, the GOP and politicians. But it’s shitty and counterproductive to say the progressive voters of Texas didn’t try hard enough. Why don’t the people of North Korea raise up and oust the regime? Would you say it’s because North Koreans don’t want it bad enough and so they deserve whatever they get?
Deserving and being responsible for are not necessarily the same thing. You can dress it up however you like but at the end of the day it is the citizens of Texas, voters and non-voters alike, that decide the political direction of the state. You may not like it but enough of your neighbors do that it doesn’t matter. Deflecting blame and feeling sorry for yourself isn’t going to solve that problem.
All the people cheering for Texas to go ahead and leave and fully become an oppressive state and fail, are ignoring that there are plenty of good people in Texas. We shouldn’t cheer for those people being harmed.
It seems pretty obvious to me that Republicans aren’t going to stop being idiots until their voters get everything they want and realize that it sucks to live that way. It’s the job of those good people you referenced to stop that from happening either by educating them or by showing up at the polls in greater numbers. They don’t seem to be doing a very good job of either. That is unfortunate for them but it’s not everyone else’s responsibility to fix that problem. We’re not wrong for being annoyed by the consequences of that failure.
Your comment really makes me mad. I urge you to have some compassion for fellow humans. But if that’s not enough, how about thinking about your own self preservation:
An oppressive state anywhere is a threat to us all, one on our border even more. When the southern states seceded because they wanted to continue owning slaves, the north didn’t say “good riddance, you backward idiots.” They also didn’t say “Guess you good southerners should have voted harder.” They fought a war, because that’s a cancer that won’t stop at the border.
Now, current Texas isn’t comparable to pre civil war Texas. I don’t advocate violence. But my point in this thread is to consider that sometimes people through no fault of their own live in a place that has dysfunctional/unsustainable/immoral leadership, and maybe they’re not enough of them to seize control, or maybe the system is rigged, or both, and except for luck of birth you could be in the same situation. So maybe worth thinking about how we might help improve those people’s situations, or else we or our descendants could be facing the same problems.
Not much of one. Look at how much “just fucking leave” sentiment there is in this thread. Not one bit of consideration for the victims of Republican policy, because the victims have committed the sin of being outnumbered. Yeah, we all deserve the results of Republican policy because our misery exists to give you something to look down on.
The only time the national party gives a shit about Texas is when a progressive is running against a centrist in the primaries.
ITT: A bunch of people who don’t realize Texas is nearly purple, but gerrymandered to hell. There are millions of us who are blue.
Are you looking for credit for almost being a state governed by sane politicians? Almost doesn’t count for much against fascism.
Texas is certainly not the only state with this problem but you’re also not the only state that’s close to giving Republicans the boot. Until it happens the rest of the country has every right to talk trash on the ridiculous bullshit that passes for political discourse there.
People who say stuff like this don’t understand how anything works. Sure, talk trash about policies, the GOP and politicians. But it’s shitty and counterproductive to say the progressive voters of Texas didn’t try hard enough. Why don’t the people of North Korea raise up and oust the regime? Would you say it’s because North Koreans don’t want it bad enough and so they deserve whatever they get?
Deserving and being responsible for are not necessarily the same thing. You can dress it up however you like but at the end of the day it is the citizens of Texas, voters and non-voters alike, that decide the political direction of the state. You may not like it but enough of your neighbors do that it doesn’t matter. Deflecting blame and feeling sorry for yourself isn’t going to solve that problem.
All the people cheering for Texas to go ahead and leave and fully become an oppressive state and fail, are ignoring that there are plenty of good people in Texas. We shouldn’t cheer for those people being harmed.
It seems pretty obvious to me that Republicans aren’t going to stop being idiots until their voters get everything they want and realize that it sucks to live that way. It’s the job of those good people you referenced to stop that from happening either by educating them or by showing up at the polls in greater numbers. They don’t seem to be doing a very good job of either. That is unfortunate for them but it’s not everyone else’s responsibility to fix that problem. We’re not wrong for being annoyed by the consequences of that failure.
Your comment really makes me mad. I urge you to have some compassion for fellow humans. But if that’s not enough, how about thinking about your own self preservation:
An oppressive state anywhere is a threat to us all, one on our border even more. When the southern states seceded because they wanted to continue owning slaves, the north didn’t say “good riddance, you backward idiots.” They also didn’t say “Guess you good southerners should have voted harder.” They fought a war, because that’s a cancer that won’t stop at the border.
Now, current Texas isn’t comparable to pre civil war Texas. I don’t advocate violence. But my point in this thread is to consider that sometimes people through no fault of their own live in a place that has dysfunctional/unsustainable/immoral leadership, and maybe they’re not enough of them to seize control, or maybe the system is rigged, or both, and except for luck of birth you could be in the same situation. So maybe worth thinking about how we might help improve those people’s situations, or else we or our descendants could be facing the same problems.
Democrats care about people, unless those people are in red states.
It’s a stretch to twist my words in that way but if it makes you feel better about the shitty people you share a state with you go right ahead.
Not much of one. Look at how much “just fucking leave” sentiment there is in this thread. Not one bit of consideration for the victims of Republican policy, because the victims have committed the sin of being outnumbered. Yeah, we all deserve the results of Republican policy because our misery exists to give you something to look down on.
The only time the national party gives a shit about Texas is when a progressive is running against a centrist in the primaries.
I think it’s mostly just the fatigue talking. It’s been a long 5/10/20/40 years of almost constant attacks and bullshit. It wears down the compassion.
Texans get the same attacks and bullshit you do. Except we get to be directly impacted by Republican policies and simultaneously blamed for them.
You assume I don’t live in a red state
Then you know what it’s like.
Wasn’t talking about you. Just the idiots proposing it.