A district judge in Wisconsin has sided with an 11-year-old trans girl over her use of the girls’ toilets and temporarily blocked school officials from preventing her access.

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    1 year ago

    Sigh. Read my last comment again and try again.

    Even if there wasn’t a single pervert who is trans, allowing anyone to enter female safe spaces allows non trans perverts unrestricted access to these places.

    Do you understand? To allow trans people in to the opposite sex safe spaces means allowing everyone to enter them.

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      It really doesn’t. It only feels that way if you are incapable of differentiating between a sexual pervert and a trans person.

      Society can accommodate gender neutral bathrooms (meaning you don’t have this social construct of genital specific genital policed bathroom spaces) alongside gendered bathrooms where people presenting as either gender can go to the bathroom. Where there is no neutral option, the closer aligning gender specific bathroom is better than the genital specific bathroom.

      Or you can have it your way with bathrooms where people’s genital have to be declared, revealed, matched, or somehow verified to use them. That is the only way to achieve genital specific safe spaces that you’re craving. Otherwise our society can go about accepting that people presenting as a gender to use their preferred bathroom regardless of their genital status.

      So how do you want verify if someone is trans or not when they’re using the bathroom? Keep in mind you’ve already demonstrated that you’re incapable of differentiating between a sexual pervert and a trans person.

      The sky is the limit here:

      How do you want our society to verify genitalia before providing public bathroom access?

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        So you can look at a person and tell if they are a sexual pervert? Holy cow, so the fbi know about your amazing talent? That’s a game changer.

        What you can pick is a biological male. Every time, without fail. No one needs to look at genitals.

        You keep purposely disingenuously saying rubbish like “you’re saying all trans people are perverts”. What I’m saying is that you can’t tell who is a pervert, but you know that if they’re a biological male who is a pervert that you just gave them free and unrestricted access to girls bathrooms by sallowing trans identified people into female space because there’s no way to verify “gender identity” so anyone can simply say they are a girl if they want to access female only spaces.

        This isn’t hard to understand, and your attempts to twist it only highlight how weak your argument is.

        Sex separated spaces exist for a reason. They existed long before the current “gender identity” thing began.

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            If its a transwoman you may not being able to identify the biological male part: that genitalia.

            The entire person is the biological male part lol. It’s not just genitalia.

            That’s the whole point of this issue with trans people using bathrooms: it’s their ability to pass as the gender that is on trial.

            No, that literally has nothing to do with it. The issue with trans people using bathrooms is that they’re wanting to use bathrooms that were specifically made for them not to use. They’re not “gender identity” based bathrooms, they’re sex based since they have been around long before “gender identity” was a thing.

            Trans people aren’t perverts who just one day decided to say they were a specific gender. But you keep bringing up that perspective as an equivalent.

            I haven’t once said that, so you really need to stop telling lies and being disingenuous. You keep lying and saying that I’m saying trans = pervert when I have said no such thing.

            You’re just creating this hypothetical biologically male sexual pervert out of thin air and linking that to a transperson using the bathroom. It’s dishonest because it’s incorrect. Refuting that isn’t disingenuous.

            I’m not linking them to trans people at all. What I am doing is pointing out that the consequences of allowing biological males that identify as female into female only spaces is that any male can then use those female only spaces, making them no longer female only spaces.

            You’ve done nothing but tell lies and make up imaginary quotes so you can dance around the fact that you have no actual rebuttal.

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              Sigh, you are saying those things. Repeatedly. Instead of acknowledging that I am pointing out that you are, in fact, making these claims, you saying I am being disingenuous and a liar. It’s a classic defense, for sure, to project as such.

              Gender neutrality and the removal of gender and sex from bathrooms is not an inherent risk to anyone and does not subject them to aexual perverts. My evidence are things like the existence of gender neutral bathrooms not being sexual menaces upon people in public. This means that a step towards neutralizing either the gender, genital/sexing of bathrooms does not have an inherent co sequence of allowing perverts more access to bathrooms. It’s a false equivalence and an unreal consequence.

              In fact, it’s closer to say the sexualized spaces of genital specific bathrooms is what actually puts those spaces at risk of perverts. Since you’re missing the point, the circular nature of this self fulfilling prophecy is what I was referencing previously.

              You can scream and sling insults about what you thing I have been doing engaging you here. That’s what makes this a special place.

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                Sigh, you are saying those things. Repeatedly.

                Show me where. Quote them.

                the removal of gender and sex from bathrooms is not an inherent risk to anyone and does not subject them to aexual perverts

                100% false. It makes female safe spaces no longer that since males can simply come and go as they please. Female safe spaces exist for a reason.

                sexualized spaces of genital specific bathrooms

                Who is saying bathrooms are sexualized? Only you. Very odd. Something being sex based doesn’t “sexualize” it.

                Just more disingenuous arguments and lies from you.

                Me: 1+1=2

                You: No, 1+1=3. You’re saying that 1+1=7 which is wrong.

                Me: No, I’m saying 1+1=2. Where did you get 7 from?

                You: You keep saying 1+1=7.

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                  1 year ago

                  “Oh but you see, I have made you the soyjack, and have portrayed myself as the chad.”

                  It’s okay if you’re mad. I’m not disappointed.

                  FWIW I have explained what I mean in every post and I have asked questions in every post you’ve completely ignored or haven’t answered in the slightest. There clearly is nothing more of value that you can express.

                  Your homework, if you choose to accept it, is to read up the thread and live with the questions only rhetorical for you to marinade upon.

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                    So no, you can’t show me where and you can’t quote them hahaha

                    It is hard quoting things that don’t exist.