• nekat_emanresu@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    There are no economic right views under anarchism. Just oligarch PR stunts co-opting us. You will see anything resembling right wing lunacy near Anarchism is just the same idea “Capitalism but with less powerful government” e.g. Libertarian and Anarcho-Capitalist.

    I prefer not to use weird apps/websites or oversimplifications unless its rooted in a concept we can discuss. The standard left/right axis is already controversial enough I think. Right wing effectively means pro-capitalist, and left means anti-capitalist.

    It’s nice that you are thinking and talking about it though. And civilly. Most don’t even try anymore >_>

    Thanks for the chat.

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      1 year ago

      I mean it breaks it out into more than just 4 axis. I agree it’s still over simplified but I firmly disagree that anarchist capitalism is authoritarian(it can be but not always). But I mean left and right literally refer to economic models.

      The left right thing is cancer to having real discussions and got turned into a tool to divide and conquer with.

      Here’s what the output from that tests looks like since I agree with you on not taking random tests to feed advertising companies.

      [Redacted photo]

      Like I think publicly traded companies are a great idea the problem with it is how capital is allocated currently. There’s no good solution without going pretty authoritarian…

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        1 year ago

        I’m not saying anarchist capitalism is authoritarian, I’m saying it has zero percent to do with anarchism. Totally mutually exclusive subjects and oxymoronic.

        I think any idea that can help us discuss things well, will be tainted by propagandists that want us arguing and confused. Like the creation of ancaps or co-option of libertarians.

        For that thing you linked. It’s certainly an interesting way to look at it and will help people learn more and figure stuff out. I at some point reduced down all the higher level issues to lower level ones and then collapsed it into Anarchism. In my head most issues are resolved and i have proof of work, but remembering and articulating for other people can be pretty rough.

        The last 3 axes I think are really just the authoritarian scale, the first axis is vaguely left/right wing anti-Capitalism vs Capitalism which also is the authoritarian scale in a sense.

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          1 year ago

          Yeah I agree there’s no good way to simplify complex subjects. Anyways have a good night it was nice having a real discussion that didn’t devolve into tribalism and name calling! Keep on being an awesome non authoritarian person!

          I ate too many mushrooms to properly reply anymore.

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            1 year ago

            The closest I can get a simplification that is legit is anarchy vs totalitarianism. But yeah, can’t oversimplify.

            Thanks for being awesome too :D I enjoyed the convo and hope you enjoy your shrooms(lucky you).