In all seriousness it’s very exciting, I just don’t need to see the same information worded 20 different ways from random clickbait sites lol

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    Once collaboration with Windows/Mac users of a specific industry is required then it’s game over – the “alternatives” aren’t just up to it.

    You are right. But when I say “alternatives”, that’s not what I really mean. And there’s a reason I gave the example of Blender. That is because, if your company is using blender, they won’t be needing 3dsMax and other stuff.

    waltz in some office and have people tolerate broken documents of some format

    Of course not. I am talking about the whole office switching over to (or even starting off with) LibreOffice. Because it’s just that good.
    Except that it’s about as slow as MS Office, if run on Windows. But from my exp, everything is slow on Windows, so the ppl not complaining about their Windows being slow, won’t complain about this and the ones complaining about Windows being slow will still do the same thing, except that they will be using LibreOffice.

    how much time (days? months?) you want to spend fixing things on Linux that simply work out of the box under Windows

    Don’t worry, Microsoft is helping us out in this regard, by making Windows as problematic as Linux used to be, while Linux is becoming less so.

    In my office exp, the ppl who ask someone to fix their Linux problems are also the ones who ask others to fix their Windows problems. Then the people who tend to fix those Windows problems tend to be doing so, not by understanding the problem, but by following some random tips passed onto them by people who worked there long ago (some of which actually understood what they were doing).
    Then there’s the IT department having people who do nothing other than follow instructions and turn out to break stuff more often than not when pushing updates. In my last workplace, there had been more loss of productivity from the Windows computers being stuck for hours in a reboot loop, than from any Linux problems and that was when there were 60% Linux machines. In my current workplace, I do tend to have more Linux problems than Windows, but that is with a Linux to Windows ratio of 10:1.

    Another anecdote with advanced Networking options. Doing anything out of the mainstream for networking stuff is way easier on Linux for me (coming from someone who did Windows for >15years before getting to Linux for 3years). In fact, it is after I had to do these kinds of configurations during work, is when I realised, how much better it is to have high quality terminal applications with man pages, rather than the mess of Windows System Settings.

    And then comes the time when a multi billion dollar contract needs to be made to port a piece of software from Windows 95 to Windows 10 and make it work with new hardware. All because someone managed to save some money the last time, by not thinking about how stuff would work later on when Voodoo cards are no longer available and signed off on getting the software (which was to be used for over 50 years) as a binary blob, instead of getting the source. Short term gains, is all you have, when saving your stuff in non-open standards.


    Nowadays, most Linux “problems” I get on work is from people not understanding how to install new stuff. For example, setting up a new docker image; stuff requiring other dependencies; internet telling them to use apt and then me reminding them to use yum. All the stuff that comes with people predominantly having used Windows and having no idea about Linux.

    But when making solutions, it doesn’t tend to be much harder to create stuff for Linux than for Windows. If you can’t expect someone to deploy stuff by copying files to the correct place, you will be making an installer/shell script either way.

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        We have the same point.

        1. Bad IT will destroy both Win and Linux systems
        2. People on Lemmy are much less likely to be fans of either OS
        3. Advanced stuff can be done better using scripting languages and depending upon the case, it’s fine to not give a -ive point to the OS for not implementing advanced stuff in GUI
        4. Users who don’t try to understand what’s going on before pressing Next or Y or Enter will mess up stuff.

        In fact, I was starting to learn PowerShell back when I decided to jump to Linux.

        There are a few things I have to differ about:

        1. The Win PCs at my previous workplace were pretty standardised. They were all same models, bought in batches with contracts with the OEMs. Also, the Win PCs had better H/W 7th gen i7s vs the makeshift Ubuntu setup I had made with a 7th gen i5 with similar RAM packages.
        2. Even though I give a lot of flak to GNOME, it still worked better than said Windows setups.
        3. A laptop of mine (Win 10) that was going bad fast, due to inadequate cooling, was fixed using Manjaro KDE, which if you try yourself, will realise is actually uselessly pretty heavy on resources due to extra configurations (as kompared to stock KDE). Despite that, I managed to go for higher workloads than Win on that dying laptop. (mainly using Office programs and Web browsers).
          Similarly, I am also able to run KDE Plasma on my Core 2 Quad, which, even though is slow (due to high load on Secondary Memory), still managed to be as good as Windows 7, if not better, at basic tasks.

        Coming back to the original topic:
        My main point is that the main thing that is going for Windows, is not any sort of Objectively Higher Quality design, but it’s current popularity. Similar points for Adobe software and MS Office.

        On the other hand, Autodesk software for Engineering CAD does have a Objective upper hand, which cannot be trumped by just people one day deciding to shift to FOSS.

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            Oh yeah.
            I almost forgot about MS Project.

            There was once a time I looked for an alternative to Project. Then I found one (probably used it a bit) and forgot. I think the alt wasn’t as fully featured as MS Project and that gives MS Office a big win.

            Dynamics NAV

            No idea, never used it. No comments.