Not sure why this doesn’t exist. I don’t need 12TB of storage. When I had a Google account I never even crossed 15GB. 1TB should be plenty for myself and my family. I want to use NVMe since it is quieter and smaller. 2230 drives would be ideal. But I want 1 boot drive and 2 x storage drives in RAID. I guess I could potentially just have 2xNVMe and have the boot partition in RAID also? Bonus points if I can use it as a wireless router also.

    • Atemu@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      8 months ago

      I do like the idea of using USB drives for storage, though…

      I wholeheartedly don’t.

          • Sethayy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            2·
            8 months ago

            Though it could be cheaper to have a backup or 2, all identical bits stored on them and swap them out as(/if) they fail

          • ITGuyLevi@programming.devEnglish
            1·
            8 months ago

            I have a few servers that have been booting from USB for years. Two of my old freenas boxes (now just hosting backups of data from unraid), have been booting off the same USB sticks for almost 10 years now. In addition to the freenas boxes I use internal USB drives on Unraid, ProxMox, and ESXi hosts (had to try them all).

            Its a risk, but having a cloned USB as a backup can mitigate it a bit.

            • realbadat@programming.devEnglish
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              8 months ago

              So just… Waiting for failure then? ;)

              As for me, give me an HA cluster and I don’t care if I need to reinstall. I don’t need to worry about an additional point of failure (USB drive) that is almost always going to fail before any of the other hardware.

              It’s part of why absolutely nothing important ever runs on a raspberry Pi for me though, SD cards are no better.

              Now as for my favorite example of why I don’t do it in production? Someone doing a bit of minor maintenance in the rack, accidentally pressed against a box running esxi off USB (on a gen 6 HP for rough timeline), broke the drive.

              The backup? Well, it had corrupted, and wouldn’t boot.

              • ITGuyLevi@programming.devEnglish
                2·
                8 months ago

                Oh man, that would suck. I do not ever use an external USB port for that exact reason! Aside from a few desktops and laptops around the house all my equipment has an internal USB port for the purpose of a boot drive (I always assumed that was the reason).

                All production stuff needs backups. Personally I try to keep boot device backups saved to another device as an image so if one goes down, I can clone it to a USB real quick and restore the blink to the lights; ideally I should also keep them off site, but I don’t like to use cloud providers (tin foil hat and all).

                • realbadat@programming.devEnglish
                  2·
                  8 months ago

                  Wasn’t my rack, thankfully, so it was someone else’s problem.

                  But anyway even internal you’re just leaning on when the thumb drive will fail vs an SSD and the onboard controller. So give me that SSD and HA any day of the week, but that’s my comfort level. I even do it at home with my proxmox clusters.

      • LifeBandit666@feddit.ukEnglish
        1·
        8 months ago

        I’m currently running 3.5 inch HDDs via usb3.0 to sata. Working ok so far (time will tell) but I do need a plug socket for every one of them

          • 486@kbin.social
            2·
            8 months ago

            Before anyone loses their minds, imagine you get the i3-8300T model that will peak at 25W, that’s about 0.375$ a month to run the thing assuming a constant 100% load that you’ll never have.

            Not sure how you came to that conclusion, but even in places with very cheap electricity, it does not even come close to your claimed $0.375 per month. At 25 W you would obviously consume about 18 kWh per month. Assuming $0.10/kWh you’d pay $1.80/month. In Europe you can easily pay $0.30/kWh, so you would already pay more than $5 per month or $60 per year.

              • 486@kbin.social
                2·
                8 months ago

                Well, what they are stating is obviously wrong then. No need to use some website for that anyway, since it is so easy to calculate yourself.

                  • 486@kbin.social
                    2·
                    8 months ago

                    Sure, cloud services can get quite expensive and I agree that using used hardware for self-hosting - if it is at least somewhat modern - is a viable option.

                    I just wanted to make sure, the actual cost is understood. I find it rather helpful to calculate this for my systems in use. Sometimes it can actually make sense to replace some old hardware with newer stuff, simply because of the electricity cost savings of using newer hardware.

              • rambos@lemm.eeEnglish
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                8 months ago

                While I agree 25W is not much, I pay around 1€ for 1W a year (Croatia) and I know there are countries that pay way more thn that. Still, we are talking about power that is close to SBC consumption, you cant go much lower. I think number of devices (drives etc) are more important than actual CPU idle power