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      6 months ago

      trump is obviously worse.

      But Biden is bad enough he won’t get as many endorsements as 2020, when trump was also just as bad but people only remembered Biden as Obama’s VP.

      And considering he barely won 2020 even with all the endorsements, every little bit matters.

      Which is why it’s insane he’s still supporting Israel.

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        He literally just got the endorsement of one of the biggest trade unions in the world, who said he does more than any other president for the workers. It’s pretty early for endorsements, maybe you’ll be right, but we’ll have to wait to see.

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        It’s absolutely wrong, but also completely expected. The US supported Israel through the last 40 years of this conflict. It’s not new. Democrats always supported Israel, and republicans always supported Israel while encouraging active conflict with Iran. That’s why Schumer speaking out against Netanyahu was such a big deal. Bibi’s not used to open criticism from the US.

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          Bibi’s not used to open criticism from the US.

          But he’s fine with it as long as nothing fundamentally changes.

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          Democrats always supported Israel, and republicans always supported Israel while encouraging active conflict with Iran.

          Even Ronald Regan cut off aid to Israel before because of illegal settlements and land grabbing…

          But for more recent examples, Biden and Obama fought over Israel

          https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/biden-obama-divide-closely-support-israel-rcna127107

          Biden recounted in private that when he was vice president in 2014 and Israel mounted a military assault on Gaza, Obama and his staff rejected his belief, held for decades, that the best way to approach the Israelis is to hug them close but not criticize them, the people familiar with his comments said.

          We have never had a Democrat this far right in regards to Israel or genocide in general.

          What is happening now isnt normal or acceptable.

          You can’t just unconditionally support a foreign country no matter what, especially when you won’t stop admitting it in public.

          It’s like an abused spouse starting every conversation with “I will never leave you”. They give up all of the negotiating power.

          Compare how this stuff went down when Obama was in office compared to now.

          Shit never would have gotten to this point.

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                He restricted aid in order to dictate how they use it. He was no different than any other republican president in regard to Israel, and set the precedent of controlled support when this Israel-Iran proxy conflict began in 1985.

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                  That’s not true, but it doesn’t matter because we can compare Biden to the last dem president

                  And Biden is on record saying the only strategy that works is never criticizing Israel.or stopping aid.

                  But we can compare how things went under Obama and Biden, to see Biden’s plan is fucking stupid and doesn’t work.

                  Even if you somehow can’t understand that it’s a terrible bargaining strategy, we have real world geopolitical examples of it.

                  But Biden won’t change his mind or strategy due to little things like facts or logic.

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                    I agree that Biden is too soft on Netanyahu. We also don’t have an alternative democrat to elect, and Trump is far worse for the Palestinians. I completely agree that we should protest and criticize Biden for his weak hand with Israel. That’s not the same as fabricating romanticism of former republican policy.

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            When the right does it, there’s no one to attack them for it. It’s a luxury the left doesn’t have.

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              What are you talking about about?

              trumps unconditional support of Russia was daily news, as it should have been.