The share of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents who believe that President Joe Biden’s 2020 election win was not legitimate has ticked back up, according to a new CNN poll fielded throughout July. All told, 69% of Republicans and Republican-leaners say Biden’s win was not legitimate, up from 63% earlier this year and through last fall, even as there is no evidence of election fraud that would have altered the outcome of the contest.

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    Does no one remember 2016-2020? The whole time people said Trumps win was a sham.

    Are those people traitors too?

    I’m not saying Biden’s win was bullshit, but I swear no one can remember past 30 minutes ago

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      It’s not the same. Most people calling the 2016 election a sham will admit that Trump did technically win by the rules as written, but also think that those rules are bullshit because they allowed a multi-million person majority to be shut out in favor of a malevolent moron. The people saying Biden lost are saying he literally cheated and that there’s a conspiracy of thousands of government employees collaborating to break the rules and subvert the will of the people; that the multi-million majority literally doesn’t exist. This is just as disingenuous as comparing the top secret documents that Trump hid to the ones that Biden and Pence handed over immediately on request.

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          Oh no people in a park. Not at all the same as trying to overturn an election.

          Also I remember when trumpets stormed the wa govs mansion.

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            People in a park?

            Way to really under sell the destruction that happened there, but I guess that’s exactly what the democrats do.

            They took over a large portion of a city, and people got shot. They wouldn’t let police in and let people die. They destroyed the buildings in there and innocent people had to leave who didn’t want to be involved.

            There was deaths, arson and destruction

            But sure. People in a park.

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        Some of ‘em did burn cars and buildings, I assume they would’ve fallen in line for storming Capitol Hill too.

        Never underestimate those who will get violent because their preferred candidate didn’t win.

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            Still no evidence Trump supported a coup

            Also a coup that just followed the red velvet rope around? Yeah scary shit

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              And coming dangerously close to our elected officials while chanting they wanted to hang people with the gallows they built outside. And remember people died there. And there’s tons of evidence trump led it, why do you think he’s getting charged for it.

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                  right. sure no one was in the building.

                  ya know other than all the people actually inside the building. like that one idiot who was shot because she refused to comply with police orders as she was trying to break into where members of congress were at.

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          An angry person smashing the window of a Starbucks is not a fucking threat to the Republic, dude.

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            People burning down cars very well could be, if some lunatic spent some time brainwashing ‘em.

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                  You keep imagining a reality that never happened and then criticizing that universe. I guess I’m puzzled as to what you’re trying to achieve but to make it sound like everyone is as bad as each other. It’s just not the case.

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                    you’re just imagining an alternate reality and criticizing it

                    I’m not sure how you got that out of what I said, but cool ig

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              If wishes were fishes I could feed the world, buddy. There’s a reason that left wing agitation is a threat to windows and right wing agitation is a threat to the Republic. It’s the difference between an insurrectionist traitor and an angry child.

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                Yes, that reason is that Republicans let a lunatic come into power, and he was able to consolidate his insane voterbase and stir ‘em up into a frenzy.

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                  And conservatives are unified enough to rally behind a strongman leader. Leftists and liberals just aren’t. People on the left are motivated by different ideas and ideologies. This isn’t Imperial Russia where a small, motivated group of leftists can mount a military coup. Taking power from the left means coalition building here, and if someone goes fucking crazy in power that coalition disintegrates.

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      The small insignificant difference between the two is that those people didn’t try to break into congress and kill the people who disagreed

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        To be fair though, a few Dem supporters do scream quite a bit about how much they’d love to kill all conservatives. There were quite a few of those crazies demanding his head during the post-election drama too.

        Not saying that Dem voters did actually do that, but I wouldn’t put it past some of ‘em either.

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          A few anti-Republican individuals (not necessarily even Democrats) saying some shit is nothing compared to leading members of the Republican party calling for violence. The shit they say is literally the position of the party itself.