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        My opinion is that the media is being sensationalists about his performance. While it wasn’t stellar, it wasn’t as bad as people like you are making it out to be.

        He’s also known to not be very good at public speaking. It’s been known his entire career. Yet you all seem to conveniently forever this when it helps push your agenda. And while he’s not someone that would even be my 10th pick for the job, I’d vote for anyone other than Trump. With maybe the exception of someone like you.

        Yet you, and the other propagandists seem to not even bother mentioning how Trump barely answered any of the questions at all.

        Just “biDeN iZ old!”

        I really wonder why that is. You people have NO idea how bad things will be if we don’t install that walking corpse in the White House. Trump will destroy democracy. This isn’t a fucking joke. A convicted rapist and a felon is going to lead this country. This isn’t the time to stand on principle over shit you didn’t even care about a fucking YEAR ago.

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          Yet you all seem to conveniently forever this when it helps push your agenda.

          My adgenda is “oh god I don’t want to be killed and fools will fall for however the right spins this while liberals downplay the impact.”

          You don’t understand that a lot of the country will never see the debate, only clipreels of whatever the fascist supporting media will put out to make more money (which is more drama).

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        I mean, yeah Biden hasn’t been great at campaigning this time. He’s been significantly better at the actual job, and we don’t only elect the person. We elect their cabinet effectively as well and Biden surrounds himself with much more competent staff than Trump who has several staffers up for felonies, nevermind himself.

        Am I worried? Just about you assholes who keep forgetting that the president doesn’t do everything themselves.

        Loads of felonies being led by a convicted felon who has said he would commit more crimes the second in office… vs one guy in the group being “old” despite only being a few years older than his opponent.

        I get it, Biden is old. I don’t get how that one fact counters every other one from the other side.

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          Umm no one here is being swayed by Biden being old to vote for Trump. I’m worried about those gullible people put there who will fall for it, who have been falling for this same thing since Reagan. There are so many out there that are too illiterate to sit through a debate and depend on short clips (foolishly) to get the vibe, and Biden tripped up and handed over a lot of fodder for dishonest people to use to generate disingenuous footage. We have been sold the idea that you need a strong personality (or at least a strong face) to operate on a state level and have been since… idk Roosevelt is the first personality I can think of where that was played up in school.

          You don’t seem to understand that most of America doesn’t run on reasoning for decision-making, but fear, and the right is a master of wielding that very effectively.

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            I do understand that those strategies have some effect. I disagree that it means reason is moot, and the more shits that come out of the woodwork with doomerism the more effective it is so I have a question for you. Why are you pushing that narrative as well? What are you doing to change it other than point it out?

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              Half the country runs believing in Fox News, and our literacy is below the sixth grade level, well before reasoning is introduced to the curriculum. I consider myself a fairly logical person, and I see the idea of operating on reason-first (I phrase like this for clarity, as emotional-based choice is valid after processing after reasoning is established) virtually never followed, even when claimed. I have lost multiple jobs because of this exact problem. I am an advocate of it in all situations.

              Outside of my bubble, I have watched universities purge philosophy, and all philosophy courses, from their systems. There’s a shift in the definition of True, with the “post-truth” movement. You can see how much reason influences the public with how they prosecute minorities, where bigotry is believed over decades of statistics.

              Reasoning is non-existent here. Moot, no, reasoning is not of no practical importance, but it cannot be depended on here at this point.

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          Consequences of whose actions exactly? Are you talking about the SJWs that sit on their asses for three years in between elections and are less politically active than their house pets and the decide to become so- only to think that they’re doing their part by telling others NOT to vote?

          Do you mean those people?

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            Everyone responsible for this reality where these two people, that are entirely unfit for it, are the most popular presidential candidates.

            There are no real winners here. Everyone is gonna have it worse after this election, except for rich people.

            If the media had started bullying biden earlier, there would be a different democratic candidate now.

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              But at the end of the day, our friends and family in the LGBTQ+ community won’t have to suffer under the iron fist of one of the choices-

              and this is just one of the many reasons outlined in Project 2025 that give reason to vote against Trump.

              Lives and freedom depend on voting this time.

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    Not a yank, but surely the best bet is to vote for Biden and hope he croaks?

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      It’s just part of an engineered drumbeat of various reasons not to vote for Biden. He’s the worst president for leftists in a whole generation. Okay actually he’s the opposite of that, but he can’t beat Trump. Okay he could have beat Trump but now he’s too old and can’t beat him anymore, and now we need someone else. I’m just pointing out all these problems because I want to help the Democrats. Now here are 10 different bad things that Biden did (of which it turns out, on examination, that he only did 2 of them and those 2 have asterisks). See, I’m helping the left!

      None of it makes any acknowledgement that Trump will be actively destructive to the goals they say they care about, in a way that’s a hundred times worse than even the most outlandish of the false things they said about Biden. And, if the DNC did decide to replace Biden with Andrew Yang or Kamala Harris or Bernie Sanders, or fucking Che Guevara for that matter, they would instantly pivot to saying it is SUPER PROBLEMATIC that Bernie said this thing about trans people in 1988, and anyway he’s too old to appeal to most Americans, and he screwed up this other thing last week, and anyway bottom line I’m staying home, I could never vote for a fake leftist millionaire who lives up in some rich person’s community up in New England and I’m voting for Cornel West and you should too.

      It’s all just a bunch of shit. I mean, in this case they actually have something genuine to load into the cannon (Biden really did do a pretty incredibly poor job at the debate and it’s a real problem). But that’s not why they are firing the cannon this week. They are firing it because it’s Sunday and every day that ends in a Y from now until November is a good day to fire off the cannon.

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      Lol yes. Frankly would take a vegetable over trump.

      I think the panic is from people who would still prefer Biden, but are worried that his performance will hurt his standing with undecided voters (the most baffling demographic in the world)

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    Worried too much about his age. At his age he leads the fight against Russian communists and the discord they have sowed. While all those Republican traitors in Congress bend over backwards. How many Ukrainian lives did they risk holding aid? Embarrassing what they tried accomplishing.

    Biden dropping out of the election??? Why the fuck would that guy drop out? That’s some snowflake mentality. He would rather drop dead than drop out let’s keep it facual.

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        2024, where communist Russia is invading again. What about for you? Do you know what year it is? How about if you knew Putin is literally a communist party card holder he got his card back in the 90s.

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      First: thoroughly amused you used the phrase “snowflake mentality” when your username is Snowflake 😂

      Second: I think Biden dropping dead instead of dropping out is part of the argument! Though I’m sure you could apply that argument to Trump as well; he’s not much younger, after all.