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    Another thought, for the longer term.

    We could add real downsides to being in the upper class. So that being in the upper class is no longer a strict upgrade from the middle class, but a trade-off.

    For example we can guarantee most privacy protections for the lower classes (the very opposite of the current surveillance capitalism). At the same time the upper class would have to submit their persons and all their transactions and doings to the most stringent transparency requirements. Don’t like being constantly under a microscope and in public view? Don’t be in the upper class.

    While the middle class would be a position in the middle with just marginally less privacy than the lower class, but much more privacy than the upper class.

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      5 months ago

      Privacy is prerequisite to a life of dignity. It’s not a bargaining chip for another prerequisite.

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        Wealth is only a prerequisite up to a point, beyond which wealth transitions into a luxury as opposed to something life-giving or dignifying.

        I can accept accumulations up to somewhere between $50 and $150 million.

        People with extreme accumulations have to be watched and regulated if we want a society that optimizes for broad dignity.

        If you want to optimize for peak dignity, monarchies with unlimited accumulations are the best for that.

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          If humans constantly tempted by wealth and power, who then fall victim to it, have their right to privacy infringed, then they’ll go right on feeding their addictions, no matter the cost of maintenance of privacy?

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            I don’t view privacy as an unconditional right. Also perfect privacy is impossible.

            If you are a small individual whose decisions will not make big waves in society, you can be completely anonymous as far as I am concerned.

            If you command great resources and can singlehandedly significantly affect my world with a stroke of a pen, I need to watch you, because you are dangerous to my world.

            Right now our society is exactly upside down in this aspect.

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              If I were in a position of power I’d hopefully willingly give up some privacy. But, no law can sit in judgement, let alone something so simple.

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                Agreed. Also to add, it’s much better than having almost no power and almost no privacy like right now.

                Besides, maybe you can think of another way to restrain the accumulationists at the top of society.

                Right now being a billionaire is zero risk, zero downside. It’s not a trade-off but a strict upgrade from the middle class. No wonder the billionaires are insane and detached from reality.

                So either risk (like randomly executing some of them every year), or a downside, or both have to be added to the equation to keep the top of the society in check.

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                  Taxes, government ownership, or communal ownership. For example, tax all wealth above $100m at 100%.

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                    Taxes can be imposed after the billionaires are afraid to bribe the government.

                    Right now there is zero risk, zero downside for a billionaire to finance elections, offer revolving door opportunities, control via ownership almost all the media. Also zero risk, zero downside for the public officials to whore themselves out. All the political whores are walking and jetting around in safety and in luxurious comfort. Why would these folks change their behaviours?

                    Right now when a government official renegs on their promises, there is zero risk, zero downside. Politicians can promise to raise taxes on the superrich and just never do it, and zero risk, zero downside.