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    3 months ago

    Israel is a sovereign nation. According to international law, they are held responsible for their actions. The same law does not apply to independent rebel groups, putting the responsibility on Iran.

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      If Israel can declare itself a sovereign nation on another peoples land there is no reason rebel groups cannot call themselves legitimate rulers. Anyone can call themselves anything.

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            The Houthis are a Zaydi Shiite movement that has been fighting Yemen’s Sunni-majority government since 2004. They reside in Yemen, so they have no land, and they are governed by Yemen. Therefore they are a faction, not a nation.

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              I was referring to your requirements for being a state. Even in your explanation you state that they have no land, therefore no mailing address, so thats why they are not a nation.

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                Ownership of land with agreed-upon borders defines a country. A nation needs to govern its land, but does not necessarily have permanent agreed-upon borders. That’s why Palestine is a nation, but not a country, for example.

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          Cute of you to site international law in favour of country that shits on international law after it got its UN approval.

          Gtfo

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            You’re heavily projecting. I’m not defending Israel, nor do I support what they’ve done to Palestinians. I’m sharing cited factual information about the legal difference between a group, nation, and country. My opinion didn’t even enter the conversation until you incorrectly assumed what it was.

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              And I am clarifying to you that Israel doesn’t recognize any such laws so they don’t get any benefit of them.

              It is an illegal colonization program conducted at a gun point with forced removals and genocide.

              So we are all clear here.

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                  Prolly why US population was easily swayed to support this degeneracy

                  Two wrongs don’t make a right and Israel is doing this right now and we are letting them.

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                    I agree that both settlements were wrong. Now that there’s an established system to define nations and countries, I think it’s important to be informed on how it works.

                    For example, the “favor” Netanyahu does by telling Palestinians to evacuate couldn’t be more corrupt. Since Palestine is a nation, but not a country with defined borders, full evacuation of settled land is no longer under their control and can legally be taken by Israel.

                    The same is not true for Ukraine, for example. Since it is a country, if all Ukrainians evacuate an area due to Russian invasion, it becomes a Russian occupation of Ukraine, not Russian land.