This was originally written as a reply for this thread: https://lemmy.world/post/19238577
I’m copying it here because I don’t trust a LW admin to just not delete it right away since that seems to be something they love doing.
tl;dr - a user calls out the LW mods for rapid fire banning a bunch of users today, I investigate
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Let’s review some of these bans, as called out by ChomskyWasRight@slrpunk.net:
https://lemm.ee/post/40926293/14446156
From the top:
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LagrangePoint@lemmy.world https://imgur.com/4XsXuOC
Quote: "LW admin/mod team seem to have this overbearing and weird belief that they need to tell everyone else what to think and how to think it. How about… you all just fuck off and don’t?
Result: Permaban
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aniki@lemmings.world https://imgur.com/LIye27F
Quote: “All rights are won through violence, child. Bans on here means less than the nothing platitudes you utter”
Result: 15 day ban
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catloaf@lemm.ee https://imgur.com/ONGdgNo
Quote: [the quote is really long, pls dont make me type it and just look at the link lol]
Result: 15 day ban
Note: the comment precedes the ban by 26 days, but catloaf’s recent comment history contains opinions critical of the LW News mod team
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DoctorButts@kbin.melroy.org https://imgur.com/q2kktNQ
Quote: “Damn what a shame, guy almost stopped being a moderator on an internet forum, would have been a grave tragedy”
Result: Permaban
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stormesp@lemm.ee https://imgur.com/ZCRtuJe
Stormesp’s profile at lemm.ee: https://lemm.ee/u/stormesp
Quote: [there were no comments removed in the modlog, but stormesp’s recent comment history contains opinions critical of the LW News mod team, read them yourself]
Result: 15 day ban
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MindTraveller@lemmy.ca https://imgur.com/YwIMSOq
Quotes: [multiple quotes, there are a lot, check out the link]
Result: 15 day ban
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Summary
Most interestingly here is that the two users who got permabanned didn’t use slurs and didn’t call for violence, they merely insulted the moderator team. I guess in the LW News mod team’s eyes, that’s a horrible, terrible, awful, unforgivable offense, so… PERMABAN.
Aniki literally is saying “words are useless, let’s resort to violence” but that’s a 15 day ban only, OK, makes sense, right???
Catloaf and Stormesp were actively leaving comments sparring with the moderator team in that thread. To be honest, none of what I’m seeing in these comment seems worthy of a ban. Unless of course, you’re a LW mod and you go “this guy is disagreeing with me, therefore they deserve a ban.”
Edit: I forgot to write about MindTraveller since that guy douchecanoe was a last minute addition. But look at those aggressive comments, guy douchecanoe deserves a ban for sure.
Edit 2: fixed pronouns for MindTraveller
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Conclusion
Not a good look. Does LW want to grow into a good Reddit alternative or do they just want to turn it into Reddit for themselves only?
LW can at least come clean about this and say “yes, the rest of you can get fucked” or maybe they will have a moment of realization at some point “oh my god, are we the baddies?”
Any example for lemmy.zip? They seemed quite reasonable in their moderation last time I checked
Lets just say they ban people for hate where there is no hate. (unless hate means not believing in a made up genocide and calling out fake news/fake accusations that clearly have a antisemitic goal) but they seem to be relatively reasonable regarding most other things, they still deploy the super bans like .ml does however.
Hm, if that’s your stance, I can see why you get banned on slrpnk and lemmy.zip, which are not exactly known for very aggressive moderation
Yeah that was and is my stance. And its just the truth.
Do you have any sources to support it?
Is it up to the claiming party to provide sufficient evidence or is it up to the person saying there isn’t sufficient evidence to proof something. I have yet to encounter any actual genocidal activity, yes Israel did wrongs in gaza but callin that a genocide is just not true, even according to ICJ there is no genocide.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/key-takeaways-world-court-decision-israei-genocide-case-2024-01-26/
Another perspective "Rights expert finds ‘reasonable grounds’ genocide is being committed in Gaza "
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147976
UN itself is not a credible source on any Israel related matter and the court decision as shortened by Reuters is what is consens in the legal communitys interpretation. UN has proven times and times again that they are not neutral regarding Israel. That is including but not limited to saying the Gaza ministry of health, wich is a hamas run institution is a credible source for casualty numbers, despite numerous clear and heavy false data fabrications such as the “800 deaths in the hospital “struck by Israel”” wich was a defective rocket of hamas that struck a parking lot near the hospital.
The Gaza Ministry of Health thing rings a bell.
No time to investigate this further now, but if someone can jump in to bring sources on the matter (whatever side), that would be nice.
Interesting, thanks. I haven’t followed the international court decisions since a while, guess I need a refresher.
An article I just found on the matter: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx88l499vero
There was a arrested warrant issued, i do support the decision by icj, however that is not proof that anyone is guilty, a arrest warrant is there to trial someone accused of crimes. Btw the hamas guy was trialed by fire from what i know. And knowing Israels issues with UN they won’t send their president or ex president to a UN court, just like us as wouldn’t, or actually nobody really would.
Again, war crimes doesn’t equate to genocide, and accusations of war crimes especially not.