Ukraine war: Kyiv claims more villages retaken but picture mixed - BBC News
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Kyiv claims to have snatched back a number of settlements in recent days - though they are all small in size.
  • Ukraine says it has liberated four villages in the south-east, calling these the first settlements won back from Russia since Kyiv’s counter-offensive began
  • On Monday morning, officials reported that “the national flag is once again waving” over Storozhove, in the Donetsk region
  • A day earlier, footage showed Ukrainian troops celebrating in Blahodatne and Neskuchne - and a minister said nearby Makarivka was also taken
  • The settlements are relatively small - and Moscow is yet to confirm any retreat
  • The Institute for the Study of War backs up Kyiv’s claims, saying Ukraine captured “multiple settlements” along the frontline over the weekend
  • On Saturday, President Zelensky acknowledged that the long-awaited counter-offensive was under way
      • BombOmOm@lemmy.world
        12·
        2 years ago

        How dare someone be proud of a country and want them to be victorious against invaders!

              • pingveno@lemmy.mlEnglish
                1·
                2 years ago

                Point is, the guy’s motivations were singularly around Ukrainian nationalism. Then when Hitler found him inconvenient, he was imprisoned. When judging people’s actions, it’s best to stay informed about their motives. Especially so when you’re trying to cast people as Nazis by two degrees of separation.

                • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
                  42·
                  2 years ago

                  Then when Hitler found him inconvenient, he was imprisoned.

                  And released soon after and pumped with money and send as agent to fight Soviets. You might also read what happened to him after war.

                  • pingveno@lemmy.mlEnglish
                    1·
                    2 years ago

                    Stalin made a deal with Hitler to split up Poland. Surely anyone who doesn’t condemn Stalin’s legacy must be essentially a Nazi?

      • dethleffs@feddit.nl
        3·
        2 years ago

        I’m just expressing my hope they will succeed and liberate many more villages and cities, in the most succint way possible. And they will succeed.

        • Count042@lemmy.ml
          12·
          2 years ago

          You just said ‘glory to the heroes’. Which heroes are you wishing glory to? Cause that saying has a history that you are apparently unaware of.

          • YellowtoOrange@lemmy.world
            320·
            2 years ago

            The ones right now (not 70 years ago) defending their country (aka the Ukrainians) from imperialists (russians) who are shelling civilians, kidnapping children, castrating soldiers, raping women. YHave you been keeping up?

              • Bloops@lemmygrad.ml
                0·
                2 years ago

                Funnily enough, the Ukrainian constitution does have a line in there like that, although thankfully it has to do with radiation and not… you know.

                Providing ecological safety and maintenance of ecological equilibrium in the territory of Ukraine, overcoming consequences of the Chernobyl catastrophic crash - catastrophic crashes of planetary scale, preserving gene pool of the Ukrainian people are obligation of the state.

                • CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml
                  1·
                  2 years ago

                  I don’t know, the gene pool comment is weird. Do they think Chernobyl is going to give them superpowers, or are they Banderites?

            • Count042@lemmy.ml
              01·
              2 years ago

              Frankly, if the Germans were invaded, it wouldn’t excuse starting to use a phrase the traditional Nazi’s used, even if the people invading were monsters. In the same way that the swastika is an appropriated symbol, but no longer represents that because something came along that carries far more … historical weight, shall we say.

              If someone invaded the South of the US, I would not be okay with the US starting to use wildly well known confederate slogans.

              Also, you just said the Russians are the heroes you were referencing that were defending their country from imperialists who are doing all that bad stuff. I know that isn’t what you meant, but that is what you said. Might be worth an edit, if you care.

              • YellowtoOrange@lemmy.world
                011·
                2 years ago

                undefined> Also, you just said the Russians are the heroes you were referencing that were defending their country from imperialists who are doing all that bad stuff. I know that isn’t what you meant, but that is what you said. Might be worth an edit, if you care.

                Ah, yes, I meant the russians are doing the evil things.

        • TheOubliette@lemmy.ml
          21·
          2 years ago

          This was literally what Bandyerites, i.e. fascists that assisted the Nazis and did ethnic cleansing all on their own, used as a rallying cry.

          • Akasazh@feddit.nl
            1·
            2 years ago

            Context is important for meaning.

            The nazis used a salute one French painter imagined the Romans using. In the United states kids used to make the same salute to pledge allegiance to the flag. This doesn’t make the american kids (nor the Romans) nazis. Becouse the context matters.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_salute

            • Count042@lemmy.ml
              12·
              2 years ago

              Context is important. The people in Ukraine who started making that a thing again now were, for the most part, all direct descendants of the Nazi collaborators in Ukraine, who are now erecting statues to their Nazi father/grandfathers.

              I wish this war hadn’t started. The Russians were wrong for invading, but the amount of white-washing of literal Nazis because the Ukrainians are reframing their national identity away from the USSR and Russia is absolute dogshit. The people who used that saying were bad. The people trying to make it a thing now are directly related to those bad people, and don’t want them thought of as bad anymore.

              All of the justifications people are using now are the same justifications used by assholes promoting the lost cause myth about the civil war.

              • pingveno@lemmy.mlEnglish
                3·
                2 years ago

                all direct descendants of the Nazi collaborators in Ukraine

                literal Nazis

                That’s the same sort of twisted interpretation of history that I see out of Republicans in the US. The Democratic Party used to be the party of slavery and the south, so they’re practically all slavers today! Black people just laugh at them and continue voting Democrat in droves.

                • Count042@lemmy.mlEnglish
                  12·
                  2 years ago

                  Bad analogy. Better one would be if the Democratic party started to put up statues to Jefferson Davis because the Democratic Party members who were children/grandchildren of Jefferson Davis wanted to re-rehabilitate the image of Jefferson Davis.

                  I promise you that if the Democratic party started trying to retroactively white wash the confederacy, or specific subsets of the confederacy, in the same exact way the Ukrainians are, that the people that were oppressed by the Democratic Party would no longer vote for them.

            • BunkerBusterKeaton@lemmy.ml
              02·
              2 years ago

              so if i understand correctly, you’re saying it’s ok to do this salute today as long as I’m saying I’m doing the Roman one, not the Nazi one?

              Nah dude sorry, context does not matter if the phrase/symbol has been used for fascist terror. That salute (and the phrase above) has been used for fascist ends. It’s done and can no longer be used