• pjwestin@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    2 hours ago

    “Left-wing,” is a very broad term. In the Weimar Republic, yes, the left-wing alternative to right-wing populism was communism. In America today, Democratic Socialists like Bernie Sanders are the left-wing alternative. If that doesn’t fall in line with your definition of, "left-wing,’ that’s fine, but it most people wouldn’t define it as exclusively anti-capitalist ideologies.

    • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      2 hours ago

      The Overton Window is relative, sure, but that’s only useful in defined constraints, and only for one point in time. Leftism is socialist, rightism is Capitalist.

      Bernie is a Social Democrat as well.

      • pjwestin@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        2 hours ago

        …and Sanders himself defines Democratic Socialism as the completion of the New Deal reforms, not a gradual transition to a socialist economic system. There’s a difference between the Overton Window shifting and a gradual change in definition over generations, but if you want definitions to remain entirely static, then we’re both using left-wing incorrectly, as it’s, “real,” definition is opposing monarchy’s veto power over parliament.

        • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          2 hours ago

          Yes, he calls himself a Democratic Socialist while being a Social Democrat, I’m aware.

          Left wing in the modern context refers to anti-Capitalism.

          • pjwestin@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            1 hour ago

            Left-wing has always had a loose, relative meaning, and arguing otherwise isn’t attempting to stop the Overton Window from shifting. It’s just an attempt to gatekeep who gets to be a, “real,” leftist.

            • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              1 hour ago

              No, it’s getting people aligned on terms so proper organizing can happen. Liberals will never align with anticapitalists, for instance.

              • pjwestin@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                1 hour ago

                Right. So, you want to take the term, “left-wing,” which has held different meanings in different contexts over more than two centuries and redefine as exclusively anti-capitalist, so you can tell liberals that they’re not actually left-wing. Now that’s an attempt to shift the Overton Window.

                • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  ·
                  1 hour ago

                  Leftism is revolutionary, rightism is reactionary. Right now, Capitalism is the dominant system being struggled against by Leftists around the globe. During the French Revolution, the proletariat and bourgeoisie both collaborated to overthrow the monarchy, which is why it was left.

                  • pjwestin@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    ·
                    11 minutes ago

                    I’ve run out of ways to say this, so I’ll just reiterate it one more time and be done with it; the meaning of left-wing is not that rigid and will vary based on context. It does not specifically mean revolutionary or anti-capitalist. It generally means a set of social or economic principles aimed at creating a more egalitarian society, but what that means in terms of policy will depend greatly based on the culture and system of government in place. Do I think it sucks ass that the American liberals are considered left-wing in the U.S.? Yeah. Do they meet my definition of left-wing? Fuck no. But I don’t get to define that broad term based on my personal standards.