i mean, i dont think this is blatantly wrong i mean it’s not correct either, i think the main failing in their viewpoint is that trump and the maga crowd are literally fucking insane.
But if we woke up tomorrow and trump didn’t exist, they would all be gone.
I don’t think all far lefties are fucking mental, but i’ve definitely met my fair share of tankies and people who pretend to know politics while being super fucking wrong. I’ve also met plenty of reasonable far lefties though so. Goes both ways.
The far right is insane, Similar to the opposing factions of the far left, though i think those are probably smaller. The MAGA right is literally just a deluded group of stupid people, it’s just fascism doing fascism. The moderate right is probably not voting for trump, and if they are, they’re just stupid. The rest are independents, from there you start getting into the moderate left, which is generally more “centrist” than the moderate right, so they’re a lot more willing to reach across ideological differences if it aligns with their general understanding of the world. (the kamala harris campaign) past that idk, you get weird mixes of entrenched dems, and the fringe sub groups of socialists, anarchists, shit like that, though they will generally align with the broader left, i think. Past this you have the “far left” israel palestine types, tankies, uber socialists/communists, the diehards. People that don’t care about anything other than the thing they espouse.
This has been my reading on the political sphere over the last few years or so.
Generally, i think the left, currently is a lot more cohesive than the right, the right seems to be undergoing an ideological fracture right now, which is interesting. I think the defining difference is the lack of a “blue MAGA” so to speak.
But if we woke up tomorrow and trump didn’t exist, they would all be gone
They existed before Trump with the tea party, they will exist after him. The far right also exists in other countries
the kamala harris campaign
Right, not centrist. They just aren’t as right as the competition
“far left” israel palestine types
Not a left or right issue, you will find people on both supporting both sides
Generally, i think the left, currently is a lot more cohesive than the right
This has never been the case, the lack of cohesion is why right wing governments are more popular despite not being popular in a population. People will just not vote because there is no coheson on the left. Meanwhile the right will always come out to vote, even when they don’t agree with their candidate
They existed before Trump with the tea party, they will exist after him. The far right also exists in other countries
it depends. I think MAGA as it is today, would stop existing if trump stopped existing, it would probably fracture into a few different camps, completely killing any momentum it has.
Right, not centrist. They just aren’t as right as the competition
you’ll have to demonstrate this one “freedom and liberty” are some of the most right leaning things they talk about. The only thing they aren’t doing is social progressivism, which from a federal perspective i think is relatively appropriate.
Not a left or right issue, you will find people on both supporting both sides
i don’t fundamentally disagree here, but i’m talking about a specific camp of people, so it’s relevant. Right leaning people are more likely to support israel, especially farther right people. Even moderately religious people will generally back israel. The primary camp of pro palestine is younger college aged people. There’s a reason you don’t see very many senior citizen homes protesting israel palestine.
This has never been the case, the lack of cohesion is why right wing governments are more popular despite not being popular in a population. People will just not vote because there is no coheson on the left. Meanwhile the right will always come out to vote, even when they don’t agree with their candidate
it depends on how you view it. Ideologically the right tends to be more cohesive. Their views and ideas are more malleable. However the left is more socially cohesive, and given the current climate, i would expect the vast majority of the left to vote for kamala on the basis of it being “not trump” and also a pretty good shot at getting something other than an old white fuck into the government.
this was a weirdly bad faith interpretation of my comment, honestly.
you’ll have to demonstrate this one “freedom and liberty” are some of the most right leaning things they talk about. The only thing they aren’t doing is social progressivism, which from a federal perspective i think is relatively appropriate.
Just more Keynesian economics, privatize profits and socialize losses. Pro-globalization
Right leaning people are more likely to support israel, especially farther right people. Even moderately religious people will generally back israel.
Muslims tend to be against Israel
Ideologically the right tends to be more cohesive. Their views and ideas are more malleable.
There are some that don’t support trans-rights despite it being a conservative stance. Some believe the government should intervene to protect the climate while others think it should be on the companies. You’ll even find some that are socialists when it benefits them (Trump campaigns left of Harris economically occasionally even if he flips to the opposite side the next time he speaks). Others are straight up communists (libertarians/anarchists)
Just more Keynesian economics, privatize profits and socialize losses. Pro-globalization
Keynesian economics is broadly left leaning, the only thing more left leaning is literally socialism/communism. Idk what you mean about privatizing profits, profits are already privatized, it’s the trump admin that wants to delete like 50% of the federal government, not the harris admin.
The biden admin literally introduced direct filing, idk what the status of that is but i heard it went over pretty well already so that may have been implemented.
As for pro globalization, that’s a good thing. Anti-globalism is a right leaning talking point, literally only the trump admin wants to do this. Although generally every society wants to have some level of domestic production, as does the harris admin through things like the CHIPS act, and the home buyer/building policies as well. These are almost always met with globalism, rather than against it, as with trumps policy.
Globalism as already stated is good for the economy, it’s good for the global economy, and it ensures more efficient and reliable production as well.
just as an aside here, right leaning economic theory literally just says “stop doing anything at all” which is worse than Keynesian economics.
Muslims tend to be against Israel
the US isn’t broadly muslim? Or catholic/christian for that matter, it’s broadly agnostic/atheistic. I don’t even think muslims are a census break out yet either? If we’re talking about the middle east, yeah muslims tend to be against most things that isn’t directly in-line with their view points, that’s sort of how they operate. As do most other people as well, to be fair.
There are some that don’t support trans-rights despite it being a conservative stance.
what? Are you saying that some lefties don’t support trans rights? That’s not a conservative stance, that’s a stance that conservatives broadly adopt. Technically in isolation it could be considered conservative depending on their personal reasoning for holding that belief.
Some believe the government should intervene to protect the climate while others think it should be on the companies.
i think most people probably agree that it should be both.
Trump campaigns left of Harris economically occasionally even if he flips to the opposite side the next time he speaks
i don’t think this is broadly true, though to be fair i don’t watch much trump shit. 95% of his monetary policy is tarrifs and tax cuts, that’s it, neither of those are really “economically left” as understood today. Outside of that he doesn’t like globalism, which is broadly isolationist, which is broadly nationalist, which tends to be right leaning, he pretends to support blue collar workers, though im pretty sure every president does (except democrats who often have effects on them)
I think if we’re talking about the makeup of the left, that it’s important to remember tha maybe 10% of the left is communist/socialist, or even sympathetic to it. The vast majority of left leaning people would be more willing to vote for someone like this, as they’re moderates, but are generally, more moderate, shocker. I think something like at least 50% probably closer to 70-80% of the left could be considered “moderate” I think there are very few “far left people” if you remove moderates/staunch dems into separate categories, it’s probably like 40/30 or something. But those are still vastly more aligned than you would see on the right.
Whereas on the right i think you have probably about 10% far right neo nazi type people. 20-30% far right/maga people (broadly aligned) and then the rest is either staunch conservative or moderates. so probably about 20-30% staunch, and the remained being moderates, with the current political climate a lot of those staunch conservatives are either shifting more moderate, or are simply not going to vote. I don’t think very many of them are going to vote for trump, and if they do, they’re pretty much what would be expected out of the average “i vote” voter.
I think this time around, moderate republicans are swinging into the harris campaign (due to the moderate proposals and policy) which is going to bleed a lot of votes on the conservative side, and bolster a lot of broad left leaning support. Even if your farther left people aren’t going to support kamala, they’ll still likely vote for her anyway.
I’m socially progressive and economically leftist. Traditionally “right” thinking economics is deregulating the entire market, and deleting the entire government regulation body.
I’m probably more center aligned, but i’m not a centrist at all. Like i said, communism is at most 10% of the collective left. The vast majority of the left is going to agree 1000% with what i’ve said, and i realize im on lemmy which is going to be more leftist, but that’s fine by me.
i mean, i dont think this is blatantly wrong i mean it’s not correct either, i think the main failing in their viewpoint is that trump and the maga crowd are literally fucking insane.
But if we woke up tomorrow and trump didn’t exist, they would all be gone.
I don’t think all far lefties are fucking mental, but i’ve definitely met my fair share of tankies and people who pretend to know politics while being super fucking wrong. I’ve also met plenty of reasonable far lefties though so. Goes both ways.
The far right is insane, Similar to the opposing factions of the far left, though i think those are probably smaller. The MAGA right is literally just a deluded group of stupid people, it’s just fascism doing fascism. The moderate right is probably not voting for trump, and if they are, they’re just stupid. The rest are independents, from there you start getting into the moderate left, which is generally more “centrist” than the moderate right, so they’re a lot more willing to reach across ideological differences if it aligns with their general understanding of the world. (the kamala harris campaign) past that idk, you get weird mixes of entrenched dems, and the fringe sub groups of socialists, anarchists, shit like that, though they will generally align with the broader left, i think. Past this you have the “far left” israel palestine types, tankies, uber socialists/communists, the diehards. People that don’t care about anything other than the thing they espouse.
This has been my reading on the political sphere over the last few years or so.
Generally, i think the left, currently is a lot more cohesive than the right, the right seems to be undergoing an ideological fracture right now, which is interesting. I think the defining difference is the lack of a “blue MAGA” so to speak.
They existed before Trump with the tea party, they will exist after him. The far right also exists in other countries
Right, not centrist. They just aren’t as right as the competition
Not a left or right issue, you will find people on both supporting both sides
This has never been the case, the lack of cohesion is why right wing governments are more popular despite not being popular in a population. People will just not vote because there is no coheson on the left. Meanwhile the right will always come out to vote, even when they don’t agree with their candidate
it depends. I think MAGA as it is today, would stop existing if trump stopped existing, it would probably fracture into a few different camps, completely killing any momentum it has.
you’ll have to demonstrate this one “freedom and liberty” are some of the most right leaning things they talk about. The only thing they aren’t doing is social progressivism, which from a federal perspective i think is relatively appropriate.
i don’t fundamentally disagree here, but i’m talking about a specific camp of people, so it’s relevant. Right leaning people are more likely to support israel, especially farther right people. Even moderately religious people will generally back israel. The primary camp of pro palestine is younger college aged people. There’s a reason you don’t see very many senior citizen homes protesting israel palestine.
it depends on how you view it. Ideologically the right tends to be more cohesive. Their views and ideas are more malleable. However the left is more socially cohesive, and given the current climate, i would expect the vast majority of the left to vote for kamala on the basis of it being “not trump” and also a pretty good shot at getting something other than an old white fuck into the government.
this was a weirdly bad faith interpretation of my comment, honestly.
Sorry, I don’t have time to fully respond yet
dw about it, shit on the internet is generally not transient, it’ll be here later lol
Just more Keynesian economics, privatize profits and socialize losses. Pro-globalization
Muslims tend to be against Israel
There are some that don’t support trans-rights despite it being a conservative stance. Some believe the government should intervene to protect the climate while others think it should be on the companies. You’ll even find some that are socialists when it benefits them (Trump campaigns left of Harris economically occasionally even if he flips to the opposite side the next time he speaks). Others are straight up communists (libertarians/anarchists)
Keynesian economics is broadly left leaning, the only thing more left leaning is literally socialism/communism. Idk what you mean about privatizing profits, profits are already privatized, it’s the trump admin that wants to delete like 50% of the federal government, not the harris admin.
The biden admin literally introduced direct filing, idk what the status of that is but i heard it went over pretty well already so that may have been implemented.
As for pro globalization, that’s a good thing. Anti-globalism is a right leaning talking point, literally only the trump admin wants to do this. Although generally every society wants to have some level of domestic production, as does the harris admin through things like the CHIPS act, and the home buyer/building policies as well. These are almost always met with globalism, rather than against it, as with trumps policy.
Globalism as already stated is good for the economy, it’s good for the global economy, and it ensures more efficient and reliable production as well.
just as an aside here, right leaning economic theory literally just says “stop doing anything at all” which is worse than Keynesian economics.
the US isn’t broadly muslim? Or catholic/christian for that matter, it’s broadly agnostic/atheistic. I don’t even think muslims are a census break out yet either? If we’re talking about the middle east, yeah muslims tend to be against most things that isn’t directly in-line with their view points, that’s sort of how they operate. As do most other people as well, to be fair.
what? Are you saying that some lefties don’t support trans rights? That’s not a conservative stance, that’s a stance that conservatives broadly adopt. Technically in isolation it could be considered conservative depending on their personal reasoning for holding that belief.
i think most people probably agree that it should be both.
i don’t think this is broadly true, though to be fair i don’t watch much trump shit. 95% of his monetary policy is tarrifs and tax cuts, that’s it, neither of those are really “economically left” as understood today. Outside of that he doesn’t like globalism, which is broadly isolationist, which is broadly nationalist, which tends to be right leaning, he pretends to support blue collar workers, though im pretty sure every president does (except democrats who often have effects on them)
I think if we’re talking about the makeup of the left, that it’s important to remember tha maybe 10% of the left is communist/socialist, or even sympathetic to it. The vast majority of left leaning people would be more willing to vote for someone like this, as they’re moderates, but are generally, more moderate, shocker. I think something like at least 50% probably closer to 70-80% of the left could be considered “moderate” I think there are very few “far left people” if you remove moderates/staunch dems into separate categories, it’s probably like 40/30 or something. But those are still vastly more aligned than you would see on the right.
Whereas on the right i think you have probably about 10% far right neo nazi type people. 20-30% far right/maga people (broadly aligned) and then the rest is either staunch conservative or moderates. so probably about 20-30% staunch, and the remained being moderates, with the current political climate a lot of those staunch conservatives are either shifting more moderate, or are simply not going to vote. I don’t think very many of them are going to vote for trump, and if they do, they’re pretty much what would be expected out of the average “i vote” voter.
I think this time around, moderate republicans are swinging into the harris campaign (due to the moderate proposals and policy) which is going to bleed a lot of votes on the conservative side, and bolster a lot of broad left leaning support. Even if your farther left people aren’t going to support kamala, they’ll still likely vote for her anyway.
How far right are you?
i’m not right leaning at all.
I’m socially progressive and economically leftist. Traditionally “right” thinking economics is deregulating the entire market, and deleting the entire government regulation body.
I’m probably more center aligned, but i’m not a centrist at all. Like i said, communism is at most 10% of the collective left. The vast majority of the left is going to agree 1000% with what i’ve said, and i realize im on lemmy which is going to be more leftist, but that’s fine by me.