2012, 2016, and 2024 all have pretty equal share Dem votes, 2020 is the spike in Dem. So it speaks more to apathy than genocide.
Also, with Trump, Gaza is glass. They are so fucked now that the Biden stuff is going to look like a US school shooting where no one cares. I guess the upshot is that we won’t have to worry about Gaza much longer since all the Palestinians will be turned into dust soon.
But everyone knew that. Staying home just meant you wanted the Palestinians dead at a faster rate without tangential guilt. Easy for one to excuse Trump giving the nod for bibi to end everyone if you can say “well I didn’t vote for him.”
This argument is based on no facts at all. There’s no polling data showing that Gaza was even a top 3 issue among voters, and Trump won Michigan by a margin so big that it was more than every Arab-American in the entire state and then some.
AND everyone in North Gaza will be dead by New Years because the UN reports no food has been allowed to be delivered in over a month and the “Generals Plan” in Israel says everyone who didn’t evacuate will be treated as a Hamas fighter and killed on sight. That’s ALL on Biden without Trump even entering the White House yet. Biden doesn’t even airdrop food anymore. So bashing this as a “but Trump will turn Gaza into glass” is a moot point since Biden will have killed everyone there months beforehand.
There’s no polling data showing that Gaza was even a top 3 issue among voters
I didn’t say it was. As you may note from my comment.
So it speaks more to apathy than genocide
is a moot point since Biden will have killed everyone there months beforehand
One, neither Biden nor Trump are killing anyone. It’s the permissive nature of the United States and their supplies.
Two, Israel isn’t in a position to carry out the operation that you are indicating. They’re still far short supplied on that front. Over the weekend ahead of the election, Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin indicated that the negotiated terms for aid had failed, which clears the path for the US to end weapons delivery to the country under a Leahy determination. Now of course Trump will resume those shipments, but critical missile deployments are likely to end for the time being, especially seeing how it doesn’t matter if Biden or Harris secure shit in votes.
Three, the UN World Food Programme has indicated about 10% of their target supply mission for aid is getting through. So there is indeed food, just not enough to feed everyone.
The thing is, the suffering will likely continue long into 2026 because Israel has every intention of sending a very clear message for future Hamas recruits. And you have a hard time sending a clear message with just dead people. The suffering and the pain is the point of what Israel is doing. The land is a nice bonus, but just killing everyone outright doesn’t show the level of suffering that Israel can actually implement. It’s that being able to drag one’s pain and misery out for years on end that Israel is after.
If Israel wanted to carpet bomb the place, they would have asked for that at the start before the relationship soured.
Biden has publicly said that a country supplying weapons is just as guilty as the one using those weapons. He was talking about Iran giving Russia weapons that are used against Ukrainians, and he’s a hypocrite if he pretends Israel is any different, particularly when he is the one vetoing ceasefires at the UN and rewarding Netanyahu for refusing to take ceasefire deals.
“Correction, 10% of the food is entering Gaza” means famine will continue and mass starvation. A war crime against literal millions of people. Do you think that being slightly off on the death toll means it’s acceptable?
Israel has every intention of sending a very clear message for future Hamas recruits
Israel has tried this strategy for 30 years and it never worked and will not work. You’re basically pushing a “bomb them until they love us” strategy.
70% of the buildings are destroyed. Tent cities were set on fire. Palestinians burned alive in hospital beds. It’s virtually indistinguishable from carpet bombing.
There you go. Blame progressives and people that wanted good things. Attack the people that want change, rather than demand Democrats change anything. That’ll certainly get you a victory like it did this time. Is your new plan in 2028 to just attack everyone who isn’t blindly loyal?
Blame progressives and people that wanted good things
Was genocide a matter in 2012 or 2016? 2020? If 2012, 2016 and 2024 are same numbers, I’d think it’s safe to point to similar conditions in mindset.
I don’t blame the sky for being blue, it just is.
rather than demand Democrats change anything
This part doesn’t make any sense. You can’t solve a problem without first identifying the problem. You can’t change anything if you deny the thing that needs to change. Am I missing some core argument of yours?
Is your new plan in 2028 to just attack everyone who isn’t blindly loyal?
I’m not attacking them. Apathy is a thing. Happens. If some coach comes out and doesn’t motivate their team, are we blaming the players for not getting excited enough? Like I don’t understand your perspective here. Do you want Democrats to change or not? Because if sounds like whenever someone addresses the issue you knee-jerk into “I’m BeInG aTtAcKeD!!!”
Yes I will blame the ultra progressives who annoy me almost as much as maga. Ya’ll just love to “talk” about change but you just cause more chaos for dems. Hope you enjoy living under MAGA because of your fucking pride.
Don’t worry, he’ll live comfortably with himself because all the bad things MAGA will do in the next 4 years and beyond will be the Dems fault. No self reflection or personal accountability will occur.
It’s all talk. These people are just lazy and their heroes are lazy. I pointed out to someone earlier that Jill Stein was not an option on the Indiana ballot even as a write-in because candidates have to be declared as write-ins. And all Jill Stein’s campaign had to do to be a write-in on the Indiana ballot was file a two-page form. That’s it. They threw a big fit and tried to show that it wasn’t true by pointing out a court case where the Greens and Libertarians sued to be on the ballot properly, not just as a write-in.
Just pure laziness. They weren’t willing to put in an effort, they just posted endless rude and harassing things online for months and did nothing to help.
*Perceived* leftward shift. The Democrats aren’t that left wing in the first place. If democrats are going to be perceived as too left wing regardless of reality, they might as well take on some left-wing policies, so they can at least bribe voters with stuff that obviously and immediately makes things better for them like UBI.
If you’re suggesting throw LGBTQ people under the bus, that is just wrong. What would we be fighting for at that point?
You’re mad, we get it. Still, if you’re not even wondering if Dems did the wrong thing by forcing Harris as the candidate then we’re not going to win next time either. We had Progressive Obama win in convincing fashion twice, followed by three neoliberals in a row with only one of them being able to eke out a win. That should paint a pretty clear picture of what we need to do to win going forward and it’s not trying the same fucking thing for a fourth time in a row.
You’re arguing with a child. They don’t want to concede. I’ve been doing it all day at work. I voted for Harris and I’ve been bitching about the Dems to my fellow Dems. They don’t get it. They won’t. You might as well argue with chatGPT at this point.
2012, 2016, and 2024 all have pretty equal share Dem votes, 2020 is the spike in Dem. So it speaks more to apathy than genocide.
Also, with Trump, Gaza is glass. They are so fucked now that the Biden stuff is going to look like a US school shooting where no one cares. I guess the upshot is that we won’t have to worry about Gaza much longer since all the Palestinians will be turned into dust soon.
But everyone knew that. Staying home just meant you wanted the Palestinians dead at a faster rate without tangential guilt. Easy for one to excuse Trump giving the nod for bibi to end everyone if you can say “well I didn’t vote for him.”
This argument is based on no facts at all. There’s no polling data showing that Gaza was even a top 3 issue among voters, and Trump won Michigan by a margin so big that it was more than every Arab-American in the entire state and then some.
AND everyone in North Gaza will be dead by New Years because the UN reports no food has been allowed to be delivered in over a month and the “Generals Plan” in Israel says everyone who didn’t evacuate will be treated as a Hamas fighter and killed on sight. That’s ALL on Biden without Trump even entering the White House yet. Biden doesn’t even airdrop food anymore. So bashing this as a “but Trump will turn Gaza into glass” is a moot point since Biden will have killed everyone there months beforehand.
I didn’t say it was. As you may note from my comment.
One, neither Biden nor Trump are killing anyone. It’s the permissive nature of the United States and their supplies.
Two, Israel isn’t in a position to carry out the operation that you are indicating. They’re still far short supplied on that front. Over the weekend ahead of the election, Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin indicated that the negotiated terms for aid had failed, which clears the path for the US to end weapons delivery to the country under a Leahy determination. Now of course Trump will resume those shipments, but critical missile deployments are likely to end for the time being, especially seeing how it doesn’t matter if Biden or Harris secure shit in votes.
Three, the UN World Food Programme has indicated about 10% of their target supply mission for aid is getting through. So there is indeed food, just not enough to feed everyone.
The thing is, the suffering will likely continue long into 2026 because Israel has every intention of sending a very clear message for future Hamas recruits. And you have a hard time sending a clear message with just dead people. The suffering and the pain is the point of what Israel is doing. The land is a nice bonus, but just killing everyone outright doesn’t show the level of suffering that Israel can actually implement. It’s that being able to drag one’s pain and misery out for years on end that Israel is after.
If Israel wanted to carpet bomb the place, they would have asked for that at the start before the relationship soured.
Biden has publicly said that a country supplying weapons is just as guilty as the one using those weapons. He was talking about Iran giving Russia weapons that are used against Ukrainians, and he’s a hypocrite if he pretends Israel is any different, particularly when he is the one vetoing ceasefires at the UN and rewarding Netanyahu for refusing to take ceasefire deals.
“Correction, 10% of the food is entering Gaza” means famine will continue and mass starvation. A war crime against literal millions of people. Do you think that being slightly off on the death toll means it’s acceptable?
Israel has tried this strategy for 30 years and it never worked and will not work. You’re basically pushing a “bomb them until they love us” strategy.
70% of the buildings are destroyed. Tent cities were set on fire. Palestinians burned alive in hospital beds. It’s virtually indistinguishable from carpet bombing.
There you go. Blame progressives and people that wanted good things. Attack the people that want change, rather than demand Democrats change anything. That’ll certainly get you a victory like it did this time. Is your new plan in 2028 to just attack everyone who isn’t blindly loyal?
Was genocide a matter in 2012 or 2016? 2020? If 2012, 2016 and 2024 are same numbers, I’d think it’s safe to point to similar conditions in mindset.
I don’t blame the sky for being blue, it just is.
This part doesn’t make any sense. You can’t solve a problem without first identifying the problem. You can’t change anything if you deny the thing that needs to change. Am I missing some core argument of yours?
I’m not attacking them. Apathy is a thing. Happens. If some coach comes out and doesn’t motivate their team, are we blaming the players for not getting excited enough? Like I don’t understand your perspective here. Do you want Democrats to change or not? Because if sounds like whenever someone addresses the issue you knee-jerk into “I’m BeInG aTtAcKeD!!!”
It needs to be said. That’s all there is to it.
Yes I will blame the ultra progressives who annoy me almost as much as maga. Ya’ll just love to “talk” about change but you just cause more chaos for dems. Hope you enjoy living under MAGA because of your fucking pride.
Don’t worry, he’ll live comfortably with himself because all the bad things MAGA will do in the next 4 years and beyond will be the Dems fault. No self reflection or personal accountability will occur.
It’s all talk. These people are just lazy and their heroes are lazy. I pointed out to someone earlier that Jill Stein was not an option on the Indiana ballot even as a write-in because candidates have to be declared as write-ins. And all Jill Stein’s campaign had to do to be a write-in on the Indiana ballot was file a two-page form. That’s it. They threw a big fit and tried to show that it wasn’t true by pointing out a court case where the Greens and Libertarians sued to be on the ballot properly, not just as a write-in.
Just pure laziness. They weren’t willing to put in an effort, they just posted endless rude and harassing things online for months and did nothing to help.
Is there any evidence to support the claim that ultra-progressives caused Harris to lose?
@politicalmemes
Quick google search and you can for it yourself.
I’ll just post the very first link
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-wins-election-results-2024-progressive-democrats-rcna178206
*Perceived* leftward shift. The Democrats aren’t that left wing in the first place. If democrats are going to be perceived as too left wing regardless of reality, they might as well take on some left-wing policies, so they can at least bribe voters with stuff that obviously and immediately makes things better for them like UBI.
If you’re suggesting throw LGBTQ people under the bus, that is just wrong. What would we be fighting for at that point?
@politicalmemes
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I did my part in trying to elect Harris.
What is the point in moderating if even after moderating Democrats are perceived as too left-wing?
@politicalmemes
Then what are you bothering me for? I’m obviously not talking about you then.
You’re mad, we get it. Still, if you’re not even wondering if Dems did the wrong thing by forcing Harris as the candidate then we’re not going to win next time either. We had Progressive Obama win in convincing fashion twice, followed by three neoliberals in a row with only one of them being able to eke out a win. That should paint a pretty clear picture of what we need to do to win going forward and it’s not trying the same fucking thing for a fourth time in a row.
I don’t really give two damns about your reasons. You want Trump in office? You got him.
I’m already rich so putting Trump in office only helps people like me. Thanks man, keep it up!
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You’re arguing with a child. They don’t want to concede. I’ve been doing it all day at work. I voted for Harris and I’ve been bitching about the Dems to my fellow Dems. They don’t get it. They won’t. You might as well argue with chatGPT at this point.
What the fuck are you even talking about?