Leaks expose secret British military cell plotting to ‘keep Ukraine fighting’ - The Grayzone
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Leaked files show top UK military figures conspired to carry out the Kerch bridge bombing, covertly train “Gladio”-style stay-behind forces in Ukraine, and groom the British public for a drop in living standards caused by the proxy war against Russia. Emails and internal documents reviewed by The Grayzone reveal details of a cabal of British military and intelligence veterans which plotted to escalate and prolong the Ukraine proxy war “at all costs.” Convened under the direction of the British Ministry […]
  • Laser@feddit.org
    174·
    16 hours ago

    The presented evidence doesn’t uphold the claims in the article. The site is a propaganda rag

    • zante@slrpnk.netEnglish
      51·
      16 hours ago

      Are you saying it’s an elaborate fake ?

      There a lots of photos of the documents they referenced.

      • Laser@feddit.org
        153·
        16 hours ago

        No, I’m saying the documents do not sustain the claims. The documents go into supporting Ukraine, e.g. to help them defeat Russian fleet and gain maritime supremacy. However, there’s no indication on what I’ve seen there akin to the claims that they want to “drag out the war as long as possible” and “prepare their own people to live in poverty” (not exact quotes because I’m on phone and I’m afraid to lose this text). These are the authors one-sided and tendentious interpretations of continued support, which by the structure of the article and the way he presents it he makes seem as if they were part of the documents. But they aren’t.

        UK supports Ukraine. That’s a known fact. It’d be insane to believe there’d be no briefings on strategy (whether these came into effect isn’t clear either).

        • LukácsFan1917@lemmy.mlEnglish
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          4 hours ago

          drag the war out as long as possible

          You have very poor reading comprehension, or you are very dishonest.Gladio They are stating their intent to prolong the war beyond any potential peace agreements. Do you even know what a “stay-behind operation” entails? First the West intervened in 2022 to stop Kiev from negotiating, they prolong the war with aid, make a lot of money, and they intend to use the territory to launch attacks on Russia no matter what happens to the army and the government.

          Think Crocus Hall style attacks. That is what the real Operation Gladio entailed.

          Drones flying into apartment buildings. Knowing this is what the west promises even after potential negotiations will make Russia settle for far, far fewer territorial concessions. Between the missiles and the provocations they may steamroll the entire country after they dispose of the main lines of conflict.

          There are many other points to cover here but it is important for you to understand you cannot breeze your way through historical references and then pretend you know what Operation Gladio was. You’re lazy.

          • Laser@feddit.org
            12·
            1 hour ago

            What operation Gladio was, what it actually did and what stone conspiracy theorists claim it was are probably different things. Just because Ganser claims it was basically a terrorist network doesn’t mean that’s the truth, in fact he doesn’t present proof of the matter, at least not of you don’t believe that https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Army_Field_Manual_30-31B is authentic.

            Also, the goal of the operation wasn’t to prolong an ongoing war or keep the people off the nations behind it in poverty.

            First the West intervened in 2022 to stop Kiev from negotiating

            ??? The US even offered Zelensky to be evacuated, which he declined - are you saying Ukraine isn’t an independent nation, but rather under so much influence of western states that it can’t decide whether to fight the invasion or not?

            they prolong the war with aid

            This is one of the dumbest and worst takes. “If the Russians could just invade Ukraine without resistance, there’d be peace!” Holy shit dude, you’re just a troll

            • LukácsFan1917@lemmy.mlEnglish
              2·
              1 hour ago

              There is more than one book about Gladio but at this point I am just going to assume you are a real boot boy who loves the western military and believes everything they say and dismisses all criticism as conspiracies. Don’t beat around the bush you slimy motherfucker. You believe the CIA claim that the document is “communist forgery”. This is the organization that took ib Hitler’s men after the war. Why didn’t you state your reasons for dismissing the document as a hoax? Worried you might look “Muricacentric” man?

              https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/09/02/diplomacy-watch-why-did-the-west-stop-a-peace-deal-in-ukraine/ The “Zelensky is a badass” narrative in 2024 is hilarious. So you expect me to believe negotiations did not fall through because of the West intervening when Foreign Affairs admitted they had a peace deal worked out prior to the UK doing so. Fat chance. You really perceive this as a Manichean struggle and not a geopolitical conflict motivated by finance. Dogbrained bullshit.

              Yes the military aid is specifically to prolong the war are you serious? You actually think the western countries are just sending the aid to be nice. Ukraine now has one of the worst debt situations in the entire world, and who do you think that is owed to? The same firms that ensure your children will never own a house, buddy.