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The administration claimed that blocking arms transfers would embolden Hamas — ignoring Israel’s genocidal slaughter.
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Even after Israel treated Biden like shit for four years in response to unquestionable support…
Israel backed trump instead and Biden still is fighting his own party on this instead of spending his last few weeks with any power trying to mitigate Trump’s incoming damage.
At this point I honestly don’t understand how anyone can claim Biden was anything but a waste of four years that was so unproductive it let trump back into the White House.
I don’t give two shits if these ultra conservative Dems are slightly better than a republican. I know I can hold my nose, been doing it for a long time.
But not enough other people will.
And yelling at them isn’t effective.
So why don’t we stop trying to shove neoliberalism down Dem voters throats, and just run a candidate Dem voters already want to vote for over trump without needing a billion dollar campaign funded by everyone causing problems for the American people
I agree with your sentiment wholeheartedly as long as you don’t sign off with “and that’s why I didn’t vote in 2024.”
Millions of people did exactly that, and so now we get Trump again.
I agree with your sentiment wholeheartedly as long as you don’t sign off with “and that’s why I didn’t vote in 2024.”
Well, I obviously didn’t say that so…
I don’t see my point in your comment, and I won’t even add a nonsensical hypothetical that you didn’t say.
Sometimes people add a “however I still voted for Harris” at the end of their comment to establish they’re not one of the dummies that uses your logic to stay home and not vote.
I was trying to feel out whether that was how you felt, and add an explicit negative judgement of that kind of thinking for anyone who felt that way.
I think not doing so is how you get applause from people who handed the election to Trump, kinda like how being a free speech advocate often collects nazi approval unless you explicitly denounce them.
I’m going to start ending all of my posts with. “I’m not a flesh eating amoeba” because apparently we have to declare we aren’t ridiculous things now.
When there are literally millions of people who believe something, it’s not stupid to establish you agree with most but not all of what they believe.
You can be a jackass about it if you want, though.
Just an FYI there brother, he ain’t the one coming off as an asshole in that Exchange.
That’s a very nice opinion you have there. It’s a shame I don’t agree with it.
I was trying to feel out whether that was how you felt
You were lying about their position because you can’t defend your own.
Where did I lie about their position?
and that’s why I didn’t vote in 2024.
Holy shit are you actually that bad at reading comprehension that you think I said they said that?
Its pointless to point fingers now but that seems to be why you post. I think you need validation that what you did was the “right” thing. Even if it meant abandoning all your principles, and the lower and middle class in the process. Well I’m here for you buddy. Let me be the robin to your batman:
Yes! You are soo right redditrefugee69!! if it werent for literally every demographic of voter except college educated whites, Kamala would have won! damn them all! The minorities are the bane of our existence! And what happened to all those republicans who we worked so hard on? How dare they turn their backs on a Cheney! We had a cheney republican and a “liberal” dem up there, that should have covered all the bases!
Do you know the worst of the minorities who turned their back on dems? it was Native Americans!! Lets talk about how evil and bad they are!!
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Yeah, just glancing at the bottom of your comment pretty well cements reading it would be a waste of time.
Thanks for nothing.
We get Trump again because of what the previous commenter said, not you.
Iran, Russia, China and North Korea have formed an alliance. The US supports Israel as a means to an end: preventing Iran from growing in power in that region.
well if thats true, we’ve alienated our allies in that region so that plan was remarkably stupid. Or, it could just be that our representitives have been bribed and Israel doesnt care what US support for mass murder costs the US long term.
Or that the problem is Netanyahu and there is no easy way to end his genocide without letting Iran and thus Russia, China and North Korea get stronger.
Russia also supports the fascist apartheid regime and, if anything, the genocide emboldens everyone who’s already opposed to zionist colonialism.
There’s no upside to the people of the US or the rest of the west, only the politicians being bribed and blackmailed by AIPAC and similar de facto foreign government agencies.
TONS of downside, though, not least of which that what they’re doing is more morally repulsive and indefensible than even the atrocities that we rightfully despise the Putin regime for doing.
Iran, Russia, China, and North Korea…
Where have I heard this before?
Yeah I’m pretty sure that’s not a new one.
Not sure what you mean
They’ve been in an alliance since 1979. That’s not going to change any time soon and Israel has nothing to do with it.
I can’t help it if the news is playing dumb.
Russia is at war with Ukraine and North Korea and China are helping while Iran and Israel are exchanging missles. Iranian drones are being used by Russia in Ukraine.
Who’s playing dumb?
More blood for the blood god. We only need to kill a few million middle easterners every decade or so to keep our influence in the region, why do they hate us so much??
He earned the Genocide Joe tag at this point. Hes got nothing to lose but still insists the genocide continues without the least bit of resistance.
but after the election the Democrats are going to be anti genocide. They can’t be progressive until after the election because of AIPAC. once the election is over, they’re going to do a complete 180 mark my words
Don’t worry, Trump will be so much better for this entire situation. Let’s revisit your comment in 2025 and see if you’re calling out Trump for this as well.
Yes I’m clearly very pro Trump. The American political binary has made complete brainrotten fools of you all
Centrists believe anyone to their left a trump supporter and anyone to their right is just itching to vote for Democrats.
Clown country.
What in God’s name are you on? How on earth is criticizing members of the democratic party in any way considered to be support of Trump?? You guys are really taking the term “partisanship” to heart. I’m entirely convinced you’d petulantly support anyone if they were a part of the Democrat establishment. The way you come out of the woodwork to spout off this kind of deranged nonsense, it almost sounds like you WANT the genocide in Gaza to worsen. Like if it didn’t, you’d be deprived of the opportunity to pompously rub someone’s nose in it.
Have you no principles? Have you no morality? Are you a doomerist or a pessimist or what? If you have nothing worthwhile to add to political dialog other than “criticizing Joe Biden for literally protecting genociders from international prosecution and also continuously arming them is exactly the same thing as supporting Donald Trump” then maybe turn off your phone and go back to plugging your ears and closing your eyes. Your liberal friends are all waiting for you.
“Don’t call us Blue MAGA! We just think if you critize the dear leader
Putin, Xi, TrumpBiden/Harris, you hate America and are the other party and programmed by Russia with ChatGPT!”I wish! ChatGPT can write way better then I can.
They do. What do you think “blue no matter who” means?
Let’s just see what happens to all these loud voices criticizing Biden once Trump takes office. My guess is magically they’ll stay silent or somehow still blame the left for what’s happening.
Supporting Trump or not, this mindset is one of the factors that helped Trump get elected again. Protest votes are the stupidest thing anyone could have done in this election, and to anyone who did so, you absolutely helped Trump get elected.
Go ahead and delude yourself into thinking that there was any other choice in this election, but the reality is that both sides support Israel, only one side will take it to an absolute extreme.
It’s absolutely heartbreaking what is happening in Gaza, but that is just one of the issues that were on the field this election and the country blew it.
Have you no sense of how things actually work in the world? Are you living in a dream state?
Not voting for Harris this election was exactly the same thing as supporting Trump in terms of actual effects.
Three things.
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Democratic party is not “the left”. They are neoliberal conservatives who support American capitalism and imperialism. There are socialist factions in the democratic party, but they are small and have no actual power in the party.
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No one said anything about not voting for Harris. You are having an argument with ghosts you’ve invented in your rotting skull.
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“It’s awful what is happening in Gaza” What is happening is the Palestinian genocide. What’s happening is ethnic cleansing. What’s happening is the mass murder of children. What’s happening is the Israeli state and the IDF colonizing Gaza and the West bank. They are committing crimes against humanity with American guns and money. It’s already at the utmost extreme. They are shooting children in the back of the head en mass. IF YOU ARE ANTI-GENOCIDE STOP PRETENDING ITS ANYTHING ELSE.
You are a conservative. You are the exact type of person that supports token progressive politics while women lose rights across the board and the DNC does nothing to stop it when they absolutely could. Same with trans rights. Same with black rights.
You are not the left. You never have been the left. If you disagree with genocide then you should be denouncing it with us, not playing interference tactics for genociders and genocide supporters. The election is over. The DNC failed. Get over it. Accept it. It’s done. Time to address the many problems that got us here.
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Fuck all these neoliberal racist fucks. Thank god people like you and others are conscious enough to see this and to keep talking about it.
Your comment needs to be saved 100 times over
Thank you! God it’s so annoying that liberals act like this then wonder why no one likes them.
I’ve had MLs more tolerable than the most smug liberal.
This is exactly right.
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Oh great. First it was we’d shut up after Biden was replaced. Then it was election day. And now it’s Trump taking office?
Just get off it already.
Moving the goalposts is how they justify running such a shit candidate that loved shooting herself in the foot with the silver bullets she should have aimed at Trump and his campaign. And not missed.
You are completely unhinged.
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“You can push Biden to the left once we win!”
“Murder is bad? Defend Ukraine, not Israel?”
“WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA?!”
Yeah, actually it could have been easier to push the Democrats left if they actually won. As it stands now no amount of pushing changes the dynamics of the House, Senate, and Presidency.
How? At that point they would have gotten what they need from you and toss you aside as a used tissues for all its worth
it could have been easier to push the Democrats left if they actually won.
88% of Americans didnt approve of Israels actions in gaza and Biden supported it anyway. Why would Dems change long standing policy after the election if they won? Its a ridiculous idea thats not based on historical fact at this point. Thats without even considering AIPAC bribes having locked both the dems and repubs into supporting whatever they want, forever-- bribes paid for using american taxpayer money disguised as “aid”. Israel is the only foreign aid recipient who gets all their money up front, and a big chunk of it can be spent as they please, not earmarked for weapons or purchases in the US. They can buy hookers and blow with our aid money if they want to. Of course they will use some of that money for bribes and election interference.
Yeah, actually it could have been easier to push the Democrats left if they actually won.
Like we did with Biden after he won. Which is how we got our minimum wage increase and cannabis rescheduling.
And codifying Roe v. Wade!
And stimulus checks every month!
And making sure COVID was managed and not ignoring it like Trump!
And ending police brutality!
And protecting LGBT rights!
And making a green new deal!
And…
I think so too. But the Democrats themselves have effectively messaged that they will not bow to public pressure to be better.
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Amazing 420 mctwist! Man the olympic mental gymnastics is quite a competative event this season.
Could be using his last days on something constructive, or to earn lower and midde class trust back. Instread why not one last war crime for the road.
He could be using his king powers granted by the SCOTUS to give minimum wage, the funds he promised, fully cancel student debt, keep queer protections, make abortion legal, or any of the things he said he would do but somehow was always stopped.
But he just keeps giving aid to “Literally Genocide LLC” because who cares, he’ll take that AIPAC money and run before the Trump fans start going after him.
None of that is possible for the president to do. That’s all legislation. An official act isn’t creating legislation.
Come back after January 20th and say that with a straight face.
Force Republicans to visibly go after working class people, abortions, and healthcare. Force them to be the bad guy if they want to die on those hills. This has been the crumbiest of crumb trails we’ve had since Bill Clinton. Shit that’s too penne ante to actually make a difference but is celebrated like it’s another New Deal.
He has Congress and The Senate so they can pass whatever legislation they want. They distribute the funds, the president doesn’t just magically make the funds appear. He can start a war, or use troops to run around and rip people from their homes, whether citizen or not, and then get away with it because he won’t be impeached. But what I’m saying is he can’t just say “it’s illegal to do this now” and that’s law. Unless the legislative branch gives up all its power. Which unfortunately would only save us about 100m a year and make us actually have a king. They will hide behind the false pretence that the government branches still exist because they can make everything pass they need for now. If that changes… Then they’ll break it
That’s why Biden should be doing positive things, not negative. Forgive all federal student loans, order Medicare to open enrollment and enroll anyone who applies, order the federal government to cover the cost of all abortions, order all government agencies, contractors and subcontractors to pay no less than the state minimum wage where the work is conducted.
None of it will actually go through. A court in Texas will stop it the next day. But force them to be on the wrong side of the issue. Stop letting them lie about what they will do. Show some goddamn spine and just maybe people will stop thinking about Democrats as Republican Lite^tm .
Of course, that’s the problem isn’t it? The Democrats aren’t willing to even try. Which shows us who they are.
Looks like he just vetoed a ceasfire resolution in the UN security council that was unanimously approved by the other 14 members. So that solves the question of what he’s doing with his remaining time in office.
He tried the student loans so that’ll just look bad.
But really how would he order the federal government to pay for things, he doesn’t hold the purse, Congress does. They would just call him off his rocker and not fit for office because he doesn’t remember how government works.
It’d be like me walking into a car dealership and saying give me one of everything! And expecting people to cheer for me when in reality they would just laugh and think I’m an idiot.
Maybe he could do the enrollment, HHS is run by the executive branch I believe
The same way Trump did. By declaring an emergency and grabbing whatever funding source he wanted. Congress appropriates money but the executive still has a lot of power in using that money.
He has Congress and The Senate so they can pass whatever legislation they want
You mean like Biden had his first two years?
It sure is neat how there’s never any hoops to jump through in order to support genocide.
And yet, this Supreme Court will grant trump immunity for every illegal action he takes while in office.
Official acts for the president would include using the military to do something. It’s the executive branch. So yeah, he can do that. As for anything else he does that’s unconstitutional, he would have to be impeached, which both congress and the Senate would vote against now. So yea. He can get away with shit. But he can’t make legislation, he can just get Congress to write it and the Senate to sign off so the legislation goes through. Something that I don’t believe that has happened since 2009 for a 2 month span, which is when Obama forced the American Care Act through.
Just one? There’s still a few months left.
Which war crime are you referencing the Biden is committing?
Aiding and abetting crimes against humanity by supplying weapons and funds while knowing EXACTLY what they’re being used for.
I understand the argument and I completely disagree with sending any support to Israel so they can continue genociding Palestinians. Is what you’re referencing actually a thing though. I understand aiding and abetting, I just don’t know if that actually makes it criminal in the actual written law.
Yes, it does both in international and US domestic law
Multiple provisions in U.S. law restrict the sale or provision of weapons to other countries, including the federal Arms Export Control Act, the Foreign Assistance Act, and the Leahy Law. The open letter draws on evidence from Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, and other watchdogs to argue that continuing to provide weapons to Israel blatantly violates these laws, in addition to international treaties.
Thank you for that. I am aware of these and I don’t see anywhere that dictates war crimes as the OP suggested. I understand the criminality but that doesn’t mean war crime.
I was just trying to point out that screaming war crime at everything is not necessary.
I sell some one a gun that I know they’re going to commit murder with. I know all the details; who, what, where, why, and when.
Am I guilty of murder?
Yes. The answer is yes.
US weapons are being used for war crimes tho? The US is providing military aid unconditionally, knowing full well they are being used to violate humanitarian international law. The State providing the unconditional means for another state to commit war crimes is just as culpable as the state committing the war crimes.
Do you not know how to read or are you then literally choosing to not reply in good faith to what you are reading. Either way that is toxic af and you know it.
It is literally and by definition, a war crime.
have you lost count
That’s not an answer.
Yes but I’m not obligated to provide you one.
I’m not looking for a legal debate or sealioning or any other drawn out conversation about this topic.
Some things that are noteworthy are that the United States is violating its own laws as pointed out by Sanders, and the ICC just put out warrants for Netenyahu and Gallant, so whether or not we debate the particulars Biden is involved in those crimes
Breaking US law does not equal a war crime as OP suggested.
If you ever want to name an actual war crime, I’ll get the notification.
Heyyyy there’s that bullshit I was talking about… Why don’t you keep busy by writing an essay about how Putin’s war is illegal but Biden’s genocide is A-OK because it’s just not from the champagne region of Russia.
I’ll get the notification
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I’ll name the war crime, and you could too if you did a google search for it.
We’re bound by the geneva conventions, that we did sign, and the articles regarding complicity in genocide wre in the signed articles. So yes, it is US law.
"According to Article 1 of the Genocide Convention, the Contracting Parties, including the United States and Israel, must prevent and punish acts of genocide. Under Article III, those punishable acts include “Complicity in genocide,” such as by knowingly providing the deadly weapons used to carry it out. In 2007, the International Court of Justice (ICJ), in a case involving Bosnia and Serbia, established that the obligation to refrain from providing weapons or other assistance begins the moment a state becomes aware of the existence of a serious risk that genocide may be committed.
For the Biden administration, that moment came in January, when the ICJ found that there was a “plausible” risk of genocide being committed in Gaza against the Palestinian people by Israel."
https://www.thenation.com/article/world/biden-complicity-genocide/
Holy shit, a real answer and not just some snarky bullshit response!
Thanks for actually taking the time to engage. I’m not being disingenuous. OP just said their was a “pile of war crimes”.
So is “the pile of war crimes” are all regarding the sale of weapons?
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Are you capable of saying “Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza”? If so, say it now.
Sure but that is not what was said.
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I thought Lemmy was against the death penalty.
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For fucks sake. There’s fucking arrest warrants and Biden still can’t follow our own laws about not sending military aid to war criminals.
Godfuckingdammit
USA does not recognize the ICC which has issued the arrest warrant.
That doesn’t make the evidence not exist.
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Reminder: Biden was an OG neoliberal that helped Republicans convert their former opposition party into the modern hail corporate Democrats,and was a prominent figure in the legislation for waging our draconian and ineffective war on drugs.
Joe Biden was never your friend, he was complicit in changing our national politics to
Capitalist exploitation + rainbow ribbons(D)
Or
Capitalist exploitation + scapegoating®
I held my nose and voted for him in 2020, but that’s just harm reduction. I’ll take a serial killer over a cannibal serial killer that eats your fingers and toes before they kill you type thing.
Remember when people got mad at you for calling him Genocide Joe?
They still do. They’re just even less justified than they used to be.
It’s like Trump supporters, any facts or evidence can be dismissed with a thought terminating cliche so thoughts slide right off the smooth brained supporters.
“Did Soros pay you?” -> “Did Russia pay you?”
any facts or evidence can be dismissed with a thought terminating cliche
Not in any way exclusive tactic to Trump supporters though. It’s done by most extremists on the left and right.
Yep, still have people downvote me when I say Biden is an aid to murder.
Democrats are not a real party, it’s just controlled opposition at this point.
Pretty much. Most candidates from both parties are bought by AIPAC as well as other lobbies. We have an oligarchy.
Washington Generals.
What do you mean?
The Washington Generals are the team that loses to the Harlem Globetrotters. They’re part of the show.
Ahh hahaha
Funny. That’s what I hear republicans called
Two sides of the same coin.
He had the smallest chance to claim he didnt do it before because he wanted to make sure trump doesnt win. Now he makes sure he raise up for the Genocide Joe title.
80% are women and children.
The crats are too stupid to see thats why people stayed at home instead of voting for harris.
Pure idiocy at this point.
Shocking absolutely nobody, there’s a deafening silence from the blue MAGA brigade that, pre-election, kept crying about how not supporting Israel 100% would sink the Democrats’ chances of winning 100% and that Trump would do oh so much worse. Democrats have already lost the election, and now they double down on a losing policy when they literally have nothing at stake.
The only difference between a Biden and a Trump administration for Palestine is the speed at which things occur. Biden is fundamentally onboard with the same genocidal policies as Trump is willing to support.
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the election did not represent all of us in the US since there is a segment of the population that is not allowed to vote
This isn’t even for our safety; most conflicts aren’t. Best I can gather, this is all about regional influence and geopolitical brownie points that don’t matter to all but the ruling class
No, it is about donor money. AIPAC.
Biden has received more aipac money than any other us politician in history.
That’s literally all it is.
Our political system is literally corrupt.
Clearly at least some of the Democrats are a Nazi as the Republicans.
some? looking at the results about %90
Of Democrat Politicians, sure.
Of Democrat Supporters, it’s almost the opposite - if I remember it correctly over 70% of Democrat Supporters were against what Israel is doing in a poll not that long ago.
It failed on the floor, but got an impressive 18 votes, I think. Done.
All Republicans voted against it.
That was guaranteed, the Democrats that voted against it is the important part; these are the people to campaign against and vote out.
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Still gonna email my displeasure to my senators.
look at this long list of fucking total human
disgracesturds.
Sure, then you can have Republicans replace them and be assured it never comes up for a vote at all. The logic is outstanding.
So its gone from you cant vote third party to now you cant even even vote for democrats who don’t support genocide?
The logic is outstanding.
You mean the logic of just ignoring that primaries exist in order to prop op the false dichotomy that led to losing all parts of the government to a literal fascist party?
Yeah, your logic IS outstandingly bad.
Republicans will not allow a vote on the floor to limit Israeli arms. Democrats did. Simple
Again falsely assuming that the only Democrats possible are the crappy Republican Lite Neoliberals that lost everything to the fascists 🙄
Again, assuming your views are shared by the majority of Americans. Hint: they’re not
This you?
Fact is that yours is the majority opinion of the rich donors and their pet politicians, but mine is the majority opinion of the people in general.
How are you still making this argument? I hope you’re a bot, because if that’s a human brain behind these words that’s depressing.
Voting-oriented do nothing liberals are just waiting with their thumbs up their asses for one more chance to vote for the “lesser evil” Democrats who are worse than the “greater evil” Republicans of 20 years ago.
I don’t want to hear any more complaints from liberals until they fucking get out in the streets and actually take meaningful political actions that matter. Voting is nothing now, don’t you see? If enough of you cowards joined the left in being anti-genocide, if enough of you joined protests and riots and strikes and actual direct action, if enough of you considered voting to be the bare minimum and not the entirety of your civic duty, then and only then would we actually see any improvement.
I’m sick of hearing about how people didn’t vote properly. get the fuck out there and take real action. If not now, when?
You’re the people standing idly by and enabling the greatest evils. You’re the ones future generations will be asking about when they say “why didn’t anyone do anything?”
Nobody is going to talk about a minority of leftists choosing not to vote pro-genocide. They’re all going to be talking about do nothing cowardly Democrats watching their country go to shit because voting is the only thing they consider political action.
Stop punching left. Join us on the left and punch back. You fucking idiots.
The only answer of the DNC and their apparatchiks every time their 1992 strategy fails:
Looking good on that soap box. Time to run, I think.
Keep running, that’s my point. You’re useless now and will be for at least 4 years. Leave the work to the grown ups
Edit: Oh my God I think he means running for office. He literally can’t imagine political action outside of elections. Libs gonna lib.
A Senate term is 6 years. Before a run it might be good for the grown ups to check the particulars.
This is barely relevant, was it worth licking the cheeto dust off your fingers?
Exactly. There’s going to be a lot of calls for Democrats to eat each other in the next 4 years.
The term of a Senator is 6 years. You’ve got at least a decade to wait.
For some, that time is coming. Come nov 2026 midterms all class 2 senators are up for reelection (and then class 3 in 2028). While there are more Republicans up at that point than Democrats, the strategy will be the same, and many of those Republican seats seem pretty safe.
And Republicans will never allow the Senate to vote on arms supply to Israel. It’s really that simple.
Yep. And trolls will paint this as “both sides the same.” I wonder if Trump will get a “genocide” moniker?
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The first thing Democrats do when making a firing line is form a circle, and that’s by design not incompetence.
Fucking hate this zionist. Trump is monumentally worse. Kamala would’ve at least given Palestine aid. I just hate reality so much
No she wouldn’t
