I thought when Britian originally gave Palestine to the Jews (who made it Israel), the Muslims were offered a state where they got some of the land, and the Jews got some, with each getting half of Jerusalem, but they were unable to come to an offer that both sides would agree to.
After the ethnic cleansing of hundreds of Palestinian cities
Ethnic Cleansing is fundamental to Zionism
Zionism’s aims in Palestine, its deeply-held conviction
that the Land of Israel belonged exclusively to the Jewish people as a whole, and the idea of Palestine’s “civilizational barrenness" or “emptiness” against the background of European imperialist ideologies all converged in the logical conclusion that the native population should make way for thenewcomers.
The idea that the Palestinian Arabs must find a place for themselves elsewhere was articulated early on. Indeed, the founder of the movement, Theodor Herzl, provided an early reference to transfer even before he formally outlined his theory of Zionist rebirth in his Judenstat.
An 1895 entry in his diary provides in embryonic form many of the elements that were to be demonstrated repeatedly in the Zionist quest for solutions to the “Arab problem ”-the idea of dealing with state governments over the heads of the indigenous population, Jewish acquisition of property that would be inalienable, “Hebrew Land" and “Hebrew Labor,” and the removal of the native population.
Israel justifies the settlements and military bases in the West Bank in the name of Security. However, the reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades.
This type of settlement, where the native population gets ‘Transferred’ to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice.
Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967:
The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians.
The apartheid regime is based on organized, systemic violence against Palestinians, which is carried out by numerous agents: the government, the military, the Civil Administration, the Supreme Court, the Israel Police, the Israel Security Agency, the Israel Prison Service, the Israel Nature and Parks Authority, and others. Settlers are another item on this list, and the state incorporates their violence into its own official acts of violence. Settler violence sometimes precedes instances of official violence by Israeli authorities, and at other times is incorporated into them. Like state violence, settler violence is organized, institutionalized, well-equipped and implemented in order to achieve a defined strategic goal.
Yea, that’s what happens when your country chooses to support the wrong side in a world war and get stomped so bad the entire country collapses and is redistributed to the winners. Then Britain suggests using it’s chunk to house a group of people that literally just went through the holocaust and needed a place (and it just so happened they had a historical claim to much of that area anyways)
So yes, pushing people out was part of the plan.
You act like this hasn’t happened before, yet you(probably American based on your posting) live on land that was taken by force in an even more violent way from the native population. You planning on leaving and heading back to Europe anytime soon? Or are we only trying to stop new situations but old ones are allowed to persist?
Zionism is a settler colonialism project that was able to really start with the support of British Imperialism. Zionism as a political movement started with Theodore Herzl in the 1880s as a ‘modern’ way to ‘solve’ the ‘Jewish Question’ of Europe. Western Nations supported this instead of instituting legal protections and refuge for Jewish people fleeing persecution.
Adi Callai, an Israeli, does a great analysis of how Antisemitism has been weaponized by Zionism during its history.
Since at least the 1860’s, Europe was increasingly antisemitic and hostile to Jewish people. Zionism was explicitly a Setter Colonialist movement and the native Palestinians were not considered People but Savages by the Europeans. While Zionist Colonization began before it, the Balfor Declaration is when Britain gave it’s backing of the movement in order to ‘solve’ the ‘Jewish Question’ while also creating a Colony in the newly conquered Middle East after WWI in order to exhibit military force in the region and extract natural resources.
That’s when Zionist immigration started to pick up, out of necessity for most as Europe became more hostile and antisemitic. That continued into and during WWII, European countries and even the US refused to expand immigration quotas for Jewish people seeking asylum. The idea that the creation of Israel is a reparation for Jewish people is an after-the-fact justification. While most Jewish immigrants had no choice and just wanted a place to live in peace, it was the Zionist Leadership that developed and implemented the forced transfer, ethnic cleansing, of the native population, Palestinians. Without any Occupation, Apartheid, and ethnic cleansing, there would not be any Palestinian resistance to it.
Herzl himself explicitly considered Zionism a Settler Colonialist project, Setter Colonialism is always violent. The difficulty in creating a democratic Jewish state in an area inhabited by people who are not Jewish, is that enough Palestinian people need to be ‘Transferred’ to have a demographic majority that is Jewish. Ben-Gurion explicitly rejected Secular Bi-national state solutions in favor of partition.
I support equal rights and reparations for Native Americans in America, which they still don’t currently have. So what’s your point. I’m advocating for equal rights for Israelis and Palestinians too.
America is a settler colonialism project started by British imperialism.
Equal rights and reparations for native Americans? Give me a break, how is that in any way acceptable after slaughtering them to take an entire continent?
If that’s all that’s needed, then maybe Israel should just eject all Palestinians entirely into Egypt, Jordan, etc, then send them a gift basket for a housewarming in their new location. They wouldn’t even need to kill anywhere close to the 95% of native Americans that died during the takeover of North America.
Equal rights and reparations for native Americans? Give me a break, how is that in any way acceptable after slaughtering them to take an entire continent?
It’s not. It’s the bare minimum
If that’s all that’s needed, then maybe Israel should just eject all Palestinians entirely into Egypt, Jordan, etc, then send them a gift basket for a housewarming in their new location
No, they could just have a One-State Solution with equal rights. Nothing justifies ethnic cleansing.
You’re the one justifying the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, I’m the one advocating for equal rights. I don’t care about whatever mental gymnastics you use to justify it, ethnic cleansing is never acceptable nor justifiable. I’m interested and an advocate for actual solutions to the present day situation, you clearly aren’t.
I thought when Britian originally gave Palestine to the Jews (who made it Israel), the Muslims were offered a state where they got some of the land, and the Jews got some, with each getting half of Jerusalem, but they were unable to come to an offer that both sides would agree to.
And then 5 neighbouring countries invaded Israel the day after the British protectorate ended because they weren’t happy with the UN defined borders.
After the ethnic cleansing of hundreds of Palestinian cities
Ethnic Cleansing is fundamental to Zionism
Settlements and Occupation
Israel justifies the settlements and military bases in the West Bank in the name of Security. However, the reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades.
This type of settlement, where the native population gets ‘Transferred’ to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice.
The mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948:
Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967:
While the peace process was exploited to continue de-facto annexation of the West Bank via Settlements
The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians.
Yea, that’s what happens when your country chooses to support the wrong side in a world war and get stomped so bad the entire country collapses and is redistributed to the winners. Then Britain suggests using it’s chunk to house a group of people that literally just went through the holocaust and needed a place (and it just so happened they had a historical claim to much of that area anyways)
So yes, pushing people out was part of the plan.
You act like this hasn’t happened before, yet you(probably American based on your posting) live on land that was taken by force in an even more violent way from the native population. You planning on leaving and heading back to Europe anytime soon? Or are we only trying to stop new situations but old ones are allowed to persist?
Zionism is a settler colonialism project that was able to really start with the support of British Imperialism. Zionism as a political movement started with Theodore Herzl in the 1880s as a ‘modern’ way to ‘solve’ the ‘Jewish Question’ of Europe. Western Nations supported this instead of instituting legal protections and refuge for Jewish people fleeing persecution.
Adi Callai, an Israeli, does a great analysis of how Antisemitism has been weaponized by Zionism during its history.
Since at least the 1860’s, Europe was increasingly antisemitic and hostile to Jewish people. Zionism was explicitly a Setter Colonialist movement and the native Palestinians were not considered People but Savages by the Europeans. While Zionist Colonization began before it, the Balfor Declaration is when Britain gave it’s backing of the movement in order to ‘solve’ the ‘Jewish Question’ while also creating a Colony in the newly conquered Middle East after WWI in order to exhibit military force in the region and extract natural resources.
That’s when Zionist immigration started to pick up, out of necessity for most as Europe became more hostile and antisemitic. That continued into and during WWII, European countries and even the US refused to expand immigration quotas for Jewish people seeking asylum. The idea that the creation of Israel is a reparation for Jewish people is an after-the-fact justification. While most Jewish immigrants had no choice and just wanted a place to live in peace, it was the Zionist Leadership that developed and implemented the forced transfer, ethnic cleansing, of the native population, Palestinians. Without any Occupation, Apartheid, and ethnic cleansing, there would not be any Palestinian resistance to it.
Herzl himself explicitly considered Zionism a Settler Colonialist project, Setter Colonialism is always violent. The difficulty in creating a democratic Jewish state in an area inhabited by people who are not Jewish, is that enough Palestinian people need to be ‘Transferred’ to have a demographic majority that is Jewish. Ben-Gurion explicitly rejected Secular Bi-national state solutions in favor of partition.
Over 12000 Palestinians fought alongside Jewish forces against Nazi Germany. Nor would ethnic cleansing be justified if that wasn’t the case.
I support equal rights and reparations for Native Americans in America, which they still don’t currently have. So what’s your point. I’m advocating for equal rights for Israelis and Palestinians too.
America is a settler colonialism project started by British imperialism.
Equal rights and reparations for native Americans? Give me a break, how is that in any way acceptable after slaughtering them to take an entire continent?
If that’s all that’s needed, then maybe Israel should just eject all Palestinians entirely into Egypt, Jordan, etc, then send them a gift basket for a housewarming in their new location. They wouldn’t even need to kill anywhere close to the 95% of native Americans that died during the takeover of North America.
It’s not. It’s the bare minimum
No, they could just have a One-State Solution with equal rights. Nothing justifies ethnic cleansing.
Bare minimum, the American way.
A one state solution is a pipe dream, even Ireland couldn’t figure that shit out and their differences are much smaller.
History is littered with failed one state solutions, from the USSR to the Roman empire.
You’re the one justifying the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, I’m the one advocating for equal rights. I don’t care about whatever mental gymnastics you use to justify it, ethnic cleansing is never acceptable nor justifiable. I’m interested and an advocate for actual solutions to the present day situation, you clearly aren’t.
Tbf they were all Muslim countries, they weren’t exactly coming from an impartial perspective.
No they just wanted to murder Jews and justified it with that…
Gladly they all got their asses handed to them.