• edric@lemm.ee
    382·
    1 year ago

    To be fair, just because somebody said something good/reasonable, it doesn’t necessarily mean they walked the talk. You can probably find a good quote from any evil dictator.

    • Jamie@jamie.moe
      201·
      1 year ago

      There are a fair amount of Hitler quotes that sound reasonable. Until you zoom out and look at the everything else, anyway.

        • Bipta@kbin.social
          6·
          1 year ago

          Nixon did a lot for improving environmental protections while also believing himself to be above the law in a way verging towards, “I am the state.”

        • TheFriar@lemm.ee
          21·
          1 year ago

          I feel like this is a big thing modern communists have the biggest problem with. I mean, it’s a problem that spans most of the political spectrum, but communists have he biggest problem because it leads to them defending the ccp and denying history to prove that communism is good. Because political affiliation is team sports now, so it’s all about staking your ground and defending everything on your side, no matter how insane it makes you. Stalin did terrible things. It doesn’t mean he wasn’t right about some things. But e-communists just can’t seem to separate the two.

          • Zyratoxx@lemm.ee
            2·
            1 year ago

            Yeah, and the absolute worst thing is, they’re gatekeeping harder than the Linux community.

            So you’re apparently “Liberal” if you don’t think that Stalin was a G?

            It’s not as if Stalin was beloved by his fellow party members either.

            Lenin once said: "Stalin is too crude, and this defect which is entirely acceptable in our milieu and in relationships among us as communists, becomes unacceptable in the position of General Secretary. I therefore propose to comrades that they should devise a means of removing him from this job and should appoint to this job someone else who is distinguished from comrade Stalin in all other respects only by the single superior aspect that he should be more tolerant, more polite and more attentive towards comrades, less capricious, etc. "

            Trotsky actively opposed Stalin and got the ice pick in return and last but not least Tito distanced Yugoslavia from the USSR after he fell out with Stalin.

            Ofc Cyber Ghost doesn’t directly say that every opposition to Stalin is liberal but I do think he does heavily imply not simping for Stalin makes you a liberal (which would technically make Tito, Trotsky and even Lenin liberal and imo shows the absurdity of their thinking).

        • aport@programming.dev
          92·
          1 year ago

          Dude Stalin helped the nazis take Poland, then when Hitler turned on the USSR, he threw 20 million soviets into the meat grinder. All to have Eisenhower coax a Nazi surrender, which made Stalin super butthurt and demand a new surrender the next day.

          The soviets were responsible for 3/4 German military deaths. They kicked ass. Stalin did not.

    • aport@programming.dev
      172·
      1 year ago

      Bro you’re dealing with lemmygraders, they think the holodomor was nazi propaganda, and even so, all those Ukranians deserved it too.

      • Lem Jukes@lemm.ee
        91·
        1 year ago

        Oh for sure. Hence the dismissal with reference and not actually engaging with the chucklefuck.

  • Sem@lemmy.mlEnglish
    13·
    1 year ago

    To be honest, I do not understand, why people try to judge quotes by its authors. If Adolf Hitler once said that Erarth is round, the authorship doesn’t make this quote automatically false. Even bloody dictators can say sometimes something truly, whats the problem here?

    • skulblaka@kbin.social
      63·
      1 year ago

      The problem is that people take quotes like this as an excuse to slippery-slope into loving everything else Stalin did too. Why, I couldn’t say. It’s pretty fucking obvious that Stalin and Mao and Mussolini and etc. were horrible people but yet we still have people in the modern day tripping over themselves to suck off dictators that died a century ago.

  • FARTYSHARTBLAST@kbin.social
    105·
    1 year ago

    Shitty people can say reasonable things lol, doesn’t mean they practice what they preach.

    edit: Holy fuck, you tankies are fucking unreal. Stalin was a god damn monster lol.

  • juliebean@lemm.ee
    41·
    1 year ago

    tbf, acting like everyone having employment is a prerequisite for freedom is a pretty damn liberal attitude.