“Like China, our struggle sessions will purify The Party and bring unity to our socialist utopia”
Also, isn’t Beehaw like, a bunch of fuckin’ hippies? Like the kind of people you’d have to be insane to call fascists?
Hexbear users are pretty stupid because they almost exclusively alienate would-be supporters, or at least close allies.
They fundamentally cannot see the difference between any non-communist liberals (left) and fascism.
Liberals? Fascists. Social democrats? Fascists. Democratic socialists? Fascists. Anarcho-communists? Fascists.
Communists?
Believe it or not, also fascists.
They just believe anyone who isn’t with them is against them. It’s a common human failing.
I’d like to point out that liberals are considered left in US, but center right pretty much anywhere else.
Hence the parenthesis saying “left”. Hexbear is exclusively full of American users that pejoratively use the term ‘lib’, so it’s important in this context.
So calling Socdems “filthy liberals” and telling socdems they’re going up against the wall… is still a great way to scare off potential allies.
Tankies have an incredibly black and white view of the world. Anyone that isn’t with them is a fascist. It’s also why they can’t accept that their favorite authoritarians have practiced imperialism, oppression of minority groups, and lots of killing. “Stalin believed in the same economic policy that I do, so therefore he never did a bad thing.”
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Like the kind of people you’d have to be insane to call fascists?
Well, it is Hexbear…
I respect Beehaw for striving against all the odds to make a non-toxic space for their users on the internet. They do come across like the the summer of 67 of the Fedi.
That said the communities I’ve subscribed to are large but the conversations aren’t that vibrant.
The admins are certainly toxic though. Any criticism of them whatsoever results in an immediate ban.
Hexbears say that anyone who’s against them are fascists so I’m not really surprised.
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No amount of rhetoric will ever convince me that someone who engages in the act of “dunking” is supposed to be taken seriously… The word sounds like a family-friendly replacement for what should be profanity.
Either own it and say that you’re using provocation as a “90s flame war tactic” or get dunked right back into the kiddie pool.
They are so desperate for validations they’ve managed to twist this into evidence of communism as a superior ideology.
It’s hard to argue that communism as imagined by the tankies is better in any way than the souless capitalism that we all suffer under. However, real communism as imagined by Marx (but not Lenin) is vastly superior.
See, Marx saw the workers owning the means of production on a local scale. The example being factory workers owning the factory they worked in. Workers would directly profit from their own labor.
Lenin envisioned the State owning the means of production. Workers would work for the good of the State, or else.
Marx postulated that economies followed a sort of progression, feudalism led to capitalism, which in turn led to communism.
Unfortunately, the real world doesn’t work in neat, linear progressions.
Marx imagined a utopia, and Lenin, in an attempt to create something like it, reinvented feudalism with different masters. Which is not surprising, as Russia was still living under feudalism when Lenin was born.
My prediction for the future of government is as follows; as the climate crisis and automation crisis progress, there will be four types of government.
The first are failed states. They will have lost the climate roulette. Their populations are either fled or dead.
The second are puppet states. These will exist mostly for resource extraction. Their populations will still exist, but many will have fled or died. The rest will toil in resource extraction to feed the last two categories.
The penultimate is the fascist police state. China and Russia are well on their way to this outcome, and the US is actively flirting with it. This is the end game of capitalism. A new feudalism where the serfs are disposable and interchangeable, instead of tied to the land and part of an inheritance. The only saving grace is that fascism always leads to an unstable mess of a government that almost inevitably crashes and burns when the strongman dictator dies.
The final category is the automated utopia. Automation takes off fast enough to put everyone out of work, and the governments realize that money is just something we made up and decides to just let anyone have whatever they want (within reason) because it takes no human effort to produce anything.
The automated utopia is a dream, I hope it happens. It would look sort of like a cross between Marx’s dream of communism and UBI with no strings attached.
It’s hard to imagine the Utopia imagined in the chronicles of Narnia could be worse than what we currently have under capitalism.
But like Carl Marx and what his followers imagine it’s not real. its made up fantasy. Real societies function on proven functioning principles. Not made up nonsense.
You can say
I want everyone to be equal
But they never can be because everyone is different and so by definition of their own individual existence cannot be. They only way to make everyone equal is to kill everyone. And that’s what communism does best.
You’re confusing Marx and Lenin. They had two vastly different ideas about what communism should be.
We have a century of Lenin, and yes, it came with death and destruction, including Leninist communists murdering Marxist communists.
You also don’t seem to understand that capitalism is so much worse. If you have no value in a fully capitalist society, you die far faster than even in a Leninist feudal society pretending to be communist.
The two East Indies Companies are prime examples of what capitalism run rampant get you. Murder and genocide in the name of profit, and the thing is, that shit is still going on. People elsewhere in the world are being exploited and murdered on a daily basis, so that you can live in a happy capitalist society.
Your copypasta "This is hardly a surprise. When you adopt an anti-communist stance, you pave the way for unhealthy social trends to takeover, which increases the moderation workload considerably, and forces you into an unsustainable method of operating. Perhaps the decay has finally reached a stage advanced enough to send them back to the likes of Silicon Valley centralized models.
Hexbear has survived all this time because, like China, has been engaging in self-reform to address the problem of rise and fall. So long as Hexbear continues this path, it will continue to go the distance.
The other big instances that are here today may not be in a few months, or years. Fascinating to see from a dialectical perspective."
Didn’t they do exactly what Beehaw is considering? Their “survival” so far has been mostly in isolation, but now that they’ve refederated they act like they were here the whole time.
Personally I don’t really care. Beehaw’s shit and the mods spend more time chatting on discord than actually modding their instance.
and the mods spend more time chatting on discord than actually modding their instance.
Lmao well said.
Did Beehaw go the way I feared it would?
I didn’t join it because I was concerned it would do exactly what I saw happening on reddit; go so far i to the everyone’s valid uwu mindset that they wind up making people uncomfortable in their own supposed safe zones and making pride labels into meaningless collectables instead of practical, useful terms.
Things like sexual asexuals and transgender people who see it as a trend to try out. Large majorities jumping in and claiming a label without understanding it at all and then retroactively re-defining the label to fit what they want it to mean, pushing away the original users because they’ve been outnumbered, outvoiced, and bullied into discomfort in their own space.
Beehaw just… gave me those vibes on first glance so I didn’t bother looking deeper for my own sanity.
That’s not it. The instance’s entire schtick is “be nice.” They have rules about doing things like assuming good faith in people you’re talking to until proven otherwise. This makes it a tonally different place. It’s heavily moderated. That’s it. That’s why they’re not gonna fuck with Hexbear or Lemmygrad or whatever else because those places are too tonally aggro for what Beehaw is trying to do and be.
You can disagree, you can have crazy opinions there, but you have to voice them politely and certain flavors of bigotry are not welcome. It’s actually great for certain kinds of conversations. Pushing people away from writing to dunk on each other forces a different sort of interaction that was sadly missing in much of the Internet.
Interesting. I might take a look then.
I got so tired on reddit from the communities making labels mean literally whatever someone wants them to mean that I was just over the entire thing. Personally watched the one I was part of shift from a simple, easy to understand concept for a rare group sharing a single trait to a whole umbrella of anyone who feels like making up a microlabel for their particular feeling at that point in time.
It got uncomfortable fast and many of the original group gave up and left from discomfort. That’s the kind of thing I fear finding in lgbt groups now.
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bruh their comment is downvoted 19 times. Do you really think that represents our community?
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ah! Your edit really clears it up, thanks!
i thought you were referring to the whole community, lol
Beehaw has the demographics that hexbear pretends to, it’s just a bunch of folks that want to be uninflammatory together. A bit boring for me, but I support their completely unobtrusive goal.
What side are the people who dont want to go to endless wars? Thanks.
The war is already raging all around you, has been for centuries, having the privilege to pretend it hasn’t so that you don’t need to pick a side is picking a side - that of the oppressor.
The side that doesn’t talk or give a fuck about politics. I like to call them “people that live for humanity”.
The side that doesn’t talk or give a fuck about politics.
‘The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.’ - Plato
Both sides are ran by the WEF and non elected NGOs. If you try to change it theyll lock you up or kill you.
That’s a pretty wild claim. Do you have anything to support it?
I get the feeling that I know who you think the WEF and NGOs are run by
The board of directors.
Jesus Christ
They killed him too
Lmfao, you mean “apolitical” enlightened centrist. just letting fascism get on with it?
No you can still fuck with fascist. You can literally do anything you want.
It’s like everyone is seeking some magic special person or group that will never exist to work for and protect them. Do it yourself. Depend on yourself. Be yourself. Unity will never exist.
Hate a leftist, go fuck em up. Hate right leaning person, go fuck them up… or just shut the fuck up and live. do whatever the fuck you want. It’s childish as fuck to expect the universe and humanity to bend for manmade ideology.
I’m not going to live under some made up rules for people that are insecure of chaos.
That’s the exact useless toxic individualistic bullshit attitude that capitalism breeds to get, and keep us exactly in the situation we’re in.
You’re not as enlightened nor edgy as you think you are.Not trying to be “edgy” or “enlightened” lol.
Your acting just like those maga people.
Ok, so openly admitting to deliberately and intentionally being part of the problem, got it.
