I didn’t say they weren’t doing fine or that they shouldn’t be doing what they’re doing.
So your position is that their system is “Fascist Corporatism,” but also… that’s fine, actually?
I just said that they’re not communists. This is not a bad thing! But lying about it is of course somewhat distasteful, especially for those people who think themselves as being communists.
Whether they’re “lying” is a matter of interpretation and ideological differences. Like, if I’m a hardcore, traditionalist Roman Catholic, maybe from my perspective, all Protestants are “lying” about being Christian because “true Christianity” means my interpretation of it. Likewise, if you’re a hardcore Maoist, then maybe you’d argue that China is governed by revisionists who are “lying” about being communists.
If we want to look at it from a relatively objective point of view, the largest number of self-identified communists in the world are Marxist-Leninists, who don’t view China as “lying about being communist” but rather agree with or at least critically support their approach. So, idk, if you want to join some fringe Christian sect that claims every other sect as being heretical and themselves as the sole defender of the faith, or if you want to join some fringe communist group that denounces every other communist group as revisionist and themselves as the only “real” communists, then idk, you do you ig. But not everyone who believes different things from you is “lying.”
I’m sure that your branding of the Chinese economy is based on a very high degree of intellectual rigor and definitely not just pulling words out of your ass based on vibes.
I already explained to you how China’s economy works based on actual facts. You completely ignored it and doubled down on vibes based nonsense that you didn’t even bother to defend or explain in any way. Telling you you’re wrong is not “less intellectual” than being blatantly wrong.
As a reader btw, I appreciate your point of view. Don’t get discouraged when your interlocutors put in less work than you. I think snuffing out the liberal fervor for capitalism by using examples where different systems are successful is vitally important. I’m just not very educated on it as I could be. People like you help with that!
So your position is that their system is “Fascist Corporatism,” but also… that’s fine, actually?
Whether they’re “lying” is a matter of interpretation and ideological differences. Like, if I’m a hardcore, traditionalist Roman Catholic, maybe from my perspective, all Protestants are “lying” about being Christian because “true Christianity” means my interpretation of it. Likewise, if you’re a hardcore Maoist, then maybe you’d argue that China is governed by revisionists who are “lying” about being communists.
If we want to look at it from a relatively objective point of view, the largest number of self-identified communists in the world are Marxist-Leninists, who don’t view China as “lying about being communist” but rather agree with or at least critically support their approach. So, idk, if you want to join some fringe Christian sect that claims every other sect as being heretical and themselves as the sole defender of the faith, or if you want to join some fringe communist group that denounces every other communist group as revisionist and themselves as the only “real” communists, then idk, you do you ig. But not everyone who believes different things from you is “lying.”
Great point. That was a mistake from my part. So what China is doing is indeed not fine at all, even though it kind of works for them.
I’m sure that your branding of the Chinese economy is based on a very high degree of intellectual rigor and definitely not just pulling words out of your ass based on vibes.
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No, I didn’t.
I already explained to you how China’s economy works based on actual facts. You completely ignored it and doubled down on vibes based nonsense that you didn’t even bother to defend or explain in any way. Telling you you’re wrong is not “less intellectual” than being blatantly wrong.
As a reader btw, I appreciate your point of view. Don’t get discouraged when your interlocutors put in less work than you. I think snuffing out the liberal fervor for capitalism by using examples where different systems are successful is vitally important. I’m just not very educated on it as I could be. People like you help with that!
OBJECTION! does a great job with this, they especially have a strong understanding of rhetoric that I tend to lack.