For personal reasons, I no longer feel safe working on Linux GPU drivers or the Linux graphics ecosystem. I’ve paused work on Apple GPU drivers indefinitely.
I can’t share any more information at this time, so please don’t ask for more details. Thank you.
If you think you know what happened or the context, you probably don’t. Please don’t make assumptions. Thank you.
I’m safe physically, but I’ll be taking some time off in general to focus on my health.
Well that’s sudden.
RIP Asahi Linux.
Fuck off to all the fascists ruining OSS.
What fascists are ruining OSS?
Guessing it’s because Lina is queer. A little bit ago, I was trying to find what was going on and found a bunch of bigoted comments and conspiracy theories about her and her girlfriend(maybe wife now?).
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I don’t think this thread is helping.
This is the worst way how to announce something like this.
I don’t know the context, but if the goal was to not start a wave of speculations, it would be better to simply not hint at anything. I wonder what happened, and I respect if they don’t want to deal with it, but this does feel weird.
Well. What were the options? Stopping without saying anything? Lying? I think this is better. Sure I’ll speculate. Bit I’ll keep it for myself
Don’t tease gossip? Either say “I’m quitting due to personal reasons” or give actual details “I’m quitting because I received ongoing abuse about being trans on X from several users and I’m fed up with it” (or whatever the reason was; I just guessed that).
I no longer feel safe
Please don’t make assumptions
Yeah wtf is that. If there are reasons to feel unsafe that arent just entirely individual, then you should tell other people that might be in danger. If its entirely individual, then state that so that other people wont be worried about their safety.
Damned right I read that and thought “It’s your first day on the internet?”
There is a small match lit in the floor it will probably snuff out itself but just to be sure let’s put it out with gasoline
It’s basically vaguebooking.
Maybe the goal was to spur speculation, but I don’t know how that would benefit anyone. I’m curious if any additional info will come to light.
Wild. All I wanna do now is make assumptions. 🤣
Most of it was pretty much said in the previous announcement from the Asahi leadership. The TL:DR is that people are incredibly entitled, support took a huge downturn, but demands kept rising, and allegedly there have been numerous personal attacks on people. The Linux project leadership drama was just the whipped cream on top of the cake
the previous announcement from the Asahi leadership
What announcement?
ooooh. All Cats Are Beautiful. (if we say ot together it makes nazis and special police uncomfy :)
This
That doesn’t mention harassment at all.
this
That only mentions harassment of them and their family incidentally, I can’t see any mention of harassment as a reason for quitting the project or in fact related to the project in any way.
First Marcan, now Lina. Huge blow to the Asahi project :(
Twas the same person, AFAIKEdit: Apparently they’re not, or at least there’s a bunch of controversy there I have absolutely no intention of getting into.
These talking points about identity originated from kiwi farms.
It’s this kind of weird unhealthy speculation that gets people to step down.
I’d not perpetuate their views.
Ugh I forgot that shit hole was still running
What’s kiwi farms? I’m not really in the loop on this issue.
A hate site where a lot of the worst of 4chan/8chan racist, nationalist, and lgbtq-phobic types congregate to organize harassment campaigns against people they don’t like. They have been linked to multiple people committing suicide.
From my admittedly third person perspective, I wouldn’t classify it a “hate site”. A “lolcow” (or who they classify) tracking/doxxing hub, sure. Completely unhinged, sure, but I dunno if I’d consider it a “hate site” specifically…I’d also saying writing it off as just hateful really doesn’t do it justice, for how bad it really is.
If anyone’s interested in a broad overview of the history/point of KF, I’d recommend reading the first paragraph of Section 2.
They literally give space to nazis at that site.
What criteria in your head makes a site qualified for it to be a “hate” site to you???
I’m saying classifying it just as “hate” isn’t doing justice to what KF is. I would probably classify Xwitter generally as a “hate” site (these days, anyway); but KF is much worse. In a similar vein, I always wouldn’t say 4chan is a “hate” site, as that doesn’t quite cover it.
A forum where trolls congregate to gossip and organize harassment.
Was not aware there was any controversy about this. Just something I had read in another forum. If that’s the case I obviously retract my earlier comment.
Pretty sure that’s been debunked. If you can find a credible source, I’d like to see it.
Was not aware there was any controversy about this. Just something I had read in another forum. If that’s the case I obviously retract my earlier comment.
You haven’t actually retracted the statement. People have terrible reading comprehension and if you don’t at least
strikethoughyour comment, people will read only that part and repeat it.True. Done!
Likely the use of “twas”
'Tis not a simple matter, ser.
But how is my granary looking?
So… people like the nu-age shortcuts but not the ye olde ones?
Twas an awakening to me, too.
Spinning more drama around this project, that’s what it needs.
Yeah classic attention seeking behaviour. Just say you’re stopping work on it for personal reasons, or give details. The only reason to tease gossip like this is because you like the drama.
Wtf is with this downvote brigade?
Edit: if anyone else is as fucking lost as I was, apparently this is some situation where the person who is resigning is trans, so obviously not attention seeking behavior even if the post is written in a truly bonkers way. Hence the downvote brigade for the above. Whether that person knew or not is open for debate since I don’t see anything in the OP indicating anything at all to this effect and had to get it from an unrelated thread but…
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WTF? Is somebody threatening her for working on open source drivers???
What is this fucking timeline…
Edit: ohhhhh…there seems to be a LOT of underlying stuff happening here. Like Lina is an anime alter-ego of Marcan I guess? So confused…
These talking points about identity originated from kiwi farms.
It’s this kind of weird unhealthy speculation that gets people to step down.
I’d not perpetuate it.
Then what is the actual issue?
She quit due to harassment. That’s it, that’s the story.
harassment
From who? What kind of harassment?
She’s queer. Take a guess why she’s getting harassed.
Take a guess
I don’t need help to guess, thanks. I was asking for information.
You got your info. How dense can you be? You have to be concern trolling.
Starting with denying her person-hood under the unsubstantiated rumor she is the alter ego of marcan, found in this very thread.
It’s an AI version of the main developer that received harassment, so did the main developer also quit?
This is where I’m lost.
Again, all of that is conjecture built on some weird “analysis” that came from the extremist hate filled site known as Kiwi Farms. I would not put much stock on the credibility of that info.
Hector and Lina are their own people. Anyone claiming otherwise has bought into the conjecture spread by a literal hate site.
Never even heard of that site, but okay. Others are saying the same in forums and HN, but your proof otherwise is?
The site is well known for harassment campaigns to the point of driving people to suicide, and users on those sites perpetuating that info are from that site actively introducing misinfo on popular platforms like reddit and hacker news.
There are a lot of other people also working on Linux gpu drivers. Heck I know someone at AMD doing it now. Lots of people seem to be oddly blowing this out of proportion like it will stop the entire ecosystem of Linux.
The project is for making unofficial drivers for Apple’s chips, which very few people are trying to do. Without Asahi, you can’t run Linux on Macbooks.
Ah thanks for the summary.
Still, very odd to buy expensive hardware that is required for running macOS due to their use license just to run Linux on it. Maybe if you bought it first and then wanted to move away from it, but that seems like a big headache.
Another reason to be wary of Apple then.
Good, why waste a perfectly good machine ;)
Without Asahi, you can’t run Linux on Macbooks.
good.
Hey there, Mr. Obvious but you really shouldn’t run around here bragging to be a parasite.
Couldn’t decipher what you wrote there. Maybe it’s a result of the same cognitive dissonance that would push someone to deliberately support and buy vendor-locked Linux-unfriendly hardware, then want to run Linux on it.
You’re just candidly lack any self awareness or you’re a vampire acting in total deniability while you smell for blood.
Seriously, asshole, stop insulting people who do shit they just like doing. Just because you don’t get it doesn’t warrant any corrossive purposeless insults being validated as any kind of quality character.
you’re a vampire acting in total deniability while you smell for blood.
omg 😲
asshole, stop insulting people
huh 🙄
Just because you don’t get it
get what 🤔
doesn’t warrant any corrossive purposeless insults being validated as any kind of quality character.
the irony 🙂
Seems everyone agrees with me, parasite.
If the Rust maintainers keep dropping like this, I foresee Linux eventually losing its lead as an operating system. The transition to Rust is absolutely necessary, other OSs are catching up slowly but surely.
And unlike AI, this makes an actual positive difference in maintainability and speed.
other OSs are catching up slowly but surely.
Which ones are those? Linux is a rock, it doesnt budge it just slowly but surely does its thing. Thats why people use Linux, because it serves its purpose and it has been doing that for a while without Rust.
Redox is advancing, I think it’s possible for it to become dominant someday, I don’t know the likelihood but if rust in linux dies completely it feels almost inevitable.
would probably be for the best anyway, they’re porting wayland and cosmic, would be nice to undo all the technical debt in the long run probably. Not for a very long time though.
Maybe in 10 years someone will invent another new language that will solve everything and then all the Rust code will have to be changed again. The cycle continues endlessly lol
It’s not just about rust, it’s also just that there’s a lot of tech debt in the linux kernel just from the design, they don’t change a lot because they don’t want to mess anything up, redox has been able to learn from all of that.
rust is also an awesome tool for writing OS’s however
Rust isn’t necessary. It can be mildly helpful, but it’s also hurt in that it’s community tends to make it actively unhelpful, just like in this case.
Linux development happened just fine for decades before rust, and while there are benefits to rust from a security point of view, if they can’t maintain the code, they’ll just go back to C and deal with process and policy for managing memory safety.
Some old fashioned c++ and c developers, like me, feel more entitled to entrench more, and see Rust as a political movement, and not a serious tool.
I’m fairly reactionary against adding more Rust to stable projects. While I’m sure at some of that is me being old and set in my ways, the other gives people like me talking points, which may or may not help.
your description of yourself is that you’re an insufferable twat?
Ignoring your rudeness now. It’s more like I’ve seen the same wheel invented a lot of times and can recognize most tech are basically equally functional.
I used to make fun of cobol because it has no stack; I often wondered why such a language was ever popular, why it had so many lines of code. Now, I know there was a reason it worked, why it still is used, and can appreciate how people work with it.
I’ve made a couple of my own languages nobody uses; so new and different languages do not overawe me as much.
Any popular language, new or old, works well enough with it having strengths and weaknesses. Some have superiority in their libraries or ecosystems and not the core. It’s ok to choose a language based on this or that. It’s ok to mix and match languages together in one project because it’s how they talk together which makes it work, and in the larger scope of things it really does not matter which is used.
I personally have nothing against any language, including rust.
It’s a general trend to try to fit a specific language everywhere that irritates me, I tend to see that as a software nerd’s religion or politics instead of how much better that language is.
And so, based on the above, is why proponents of their holy language irritate the crap out of me. And rust is certainly not the first to do that
It’s more like I’ve seen the same wheel invented a lot of times and can recognize most tech are basically equally functional.
So… I would recommend at least reading the Wikipedia page for Rust because it’s pretty clear that you don’t know anything about it at all if you think it is “the same wheel”. Rust is the first practical memory safe systems language that doesn’t rely on GC for memory safety.
I am happy that you like rust.
I also would like to point out there are many ways to manage memory. Not all of them are badly designed and hacked code done by stubborn people who just need to be saved
Ah the old “I don’t make mistakes” classic. Some weapons grade hubris here…
I’d say that trying to get Rust everywhere is just something that is done in the hope it will help the ecosystem mature faster. It’s a bit hard to compete with languages that are 30, 40, or over 50 years old
I think it will grow! One day it will compete that way
There’s a lot of irony here for you to invent enemy “holy rust” people in your head while failing to see your own projection of “use my holy C I preach and stop preaching others”.
I made no such claim about c nor am I saying it should be used in general, if you read what I wrote more carefully, I am actually against all that
Some old fashioned c++ and c developers, like me, feel more entitled to entrench more, and see Rust as a political movement, and not a serious tool.
I’m fairly reactionary against adding more Rust to stable projects.
You know, you have the choice to not fall victim to your own cognitive dissonance and instead help these people find common ground instead of being a dismissive stick in the mud right?
Maybe take the time to learn enough rust to see the other sides picture?
Not to mention it’s highly unlikely you can link me to any specific project you yourself specifically run where this ‘rust religion’ has been a problem that actually exists.
