I’m never putting one of these in my home.

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    Yeah, that’s kinda the point. They literally tell you that your voice interactions are used to improve the service.

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    I will be the last person to not have a smart home. There will be a banner over the doorway: “Welcome to Stupid House”.

    There will be a small cover charge.

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      You can have a privacy-first smart home. I have. I run Home Assistant in a docker container. No external services/plugins. My smart doorbell streams to my local nvr. If my internet is down, everything keeps working. And it’s not even that hard anymore. It’s become a lot easier over the last 2-3 years. Still not for non-techie users, but a lot better.

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        That sounds pretty reasonable.

        Edit: Still kind of want to call my place “Stupid House” for myriad other reasons

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        I’m not tech illiterate by any means, and everything after “home assistant” in that post is Greek to me

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          Docker is a way to run containers. Basically lightweight virtual servers. That makes it easy to run multiple servers on one machine. An NVR is a network video recorder. It’s like a video security system like they use in stores where all cameras are viewed and recorded in a single place. I assume you know what a doorbell is 😄

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        Have any resources to get started with that? Been looking into security systems but don’t fully trust nest/ring/simplisafe etc

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        Teach me your ways please! Setting up a Home Assistant seems like such a daunting task. I’m stalling converting my devices into it. Any tips for a (home assistant) beginner?

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          I just followed the steps on their site. Containers give me cancer, so I did a real install on my home server.

          Caveat: I am a professional software engineer (but I didn’t really have to hack anything)

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      I’m with you. I hate how they expect me to control everything from my phone or with voice commands. I’m fine walking to a light switch or walking to the thermostat.

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        There’s a middle ground as well. I refuse to put Alexa or OK Google or whatever on any of my stuff, but I run home-assistant with zigbee smart devices. My entire setup runs completely cut off from the internet. I could in theory even air gap it, although that’s a little overkill. It’s a “smart” house, but one I’m 100% in control of.

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          Is that self hosted? I’d just about fuck with a FOSS self hosted smart home setup, but even then I could barely be arsed

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                Be careful running it in a Pi because it’s a little heavy for that depending on how you configure it. A Pi model 4 is probably OK, but you wouldn’t want to run it on a model 3 or something even older, and you’re going to want to use one with at least 4GB of RAM.

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              I’ll get a lot of hate for this but when you say pi you mean pi4. I kept seeing this HA on lemmy and tried it on a pi2. I don’t know if it worked or not, it’s a very bloated piece of software. After an hour of waiting I installed docker and the HA instance on my main server (which is ancient) in under a minute.

              It’s cool and all but my feit dimmers require some pcb work and flashing to be compatible so verify what devices you have before you hop in.

              I used to have an automated building running on a bare 386 and a floppy drive. Hate on me all you want but sending simple commands like turn device on shouldn’t require a giant software package but otherwise HA is neat, just a lot of overhead i can’t exactly justify.

              Worth trying out though.

              I think reflow stole a lot of their code.

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                No hate from me.

                Just about every project I’ve started with a pi has ended up working out a lot better as a vm on an x86 host. But lots of people seem to love them.

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                  To be fair It has its uses i suppose. I’ve had one running pihole since the original pi came out. Used PI2s in the past for OSMC and, even better, ambilight.

                  I think now a cheap android TV box you can flash is probably better for a simple less than 5watt device.

                  Besides the HA test I’ve been trying to use one to be an openvpn TAP interface but it’s been a fight and i think you just convinced me to do it in another docker instance on the server and save myself some headaches.

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            Yep, I run mine on an ODroid XU4, but you can run it on just about anything including a docker container on a generic Linux install.

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          I’m using z-wave stuff but similar setup. Home Assistant does reach out to the cloud for some things like weather forecast and Google calendar but otherwise it will operate 100% without internet if needed. I also have cameras that while they aren’t air-gappend they are blocked from Internet access and can only talk to the NVR.

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        The last thing I want is to talk to a computer. Buttons are fine. The roboto phone customer service is bad enough.

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        I’m fine walking to a light switch or walking to the thermostat.

        When the hallway light was left on again it’s really damn nice to simply say “Turn Off Hallway Light” while staying under my nice warm covers. It’s also pretty swank to have the garage lights turn on when the garage door opens then turn themselves back off 5 minutes after the garage door closes. Someone left their closet light on? No problemo, my automation catches that and shuts it off.

        Window coverings like blinds and drapes? Yeah, those are opening and closing automatically based on the position of the sun, even when I’m not home to do it. Did it rain while I was at work? Automation keeps my sprinklers from running tonight.

        All of that is being done by Home Assistant and absolutely no Internet is required to make it work.

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          it’s really damn nice to simply say “Turn Off Hallway Light”

          Can you use a custom wake word? The only reason why I’m still using Alexa is for the “computer” wake word.

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            HA doesn’t have “Wake Word” yet. It supposed to be coming before the end of the year. Right now you have to PTT (Push To Talk) to make it listen and for the privacy minded this is actually better than an always listening device.

            Still, a lot of people want WW support and it is on the road map.

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      When skynet comes online, I’ll die quickly, being mopped to death. You’ll have to struggle in the post apocalyptic hellscape where humans fight robots with A-10s for some reason.

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    haven’t we all known this since product launch ?

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      I think most people, me included, underestimate the scale of the operation. When you hear “company will use private data to do X”, you imagine what a reasonable person would do, like random sample a few conversations here and there. In reality they record everything permanently over months and years, far beyond what would be necessary to run the service.

      It’s kind of crazy how we get this level of surveillance while still having software that will lose your data if you don’t hit Save often enough.

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        What’s fucked up is if you try to regulate it and make these companies have data retention policies. It creates a giant moat around them where no newcomer can have a chance to compete.

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          That’s because you are not enforcing data portability at the same time. Having studied and discussed the GDPR at length within tech circles, I became convinced that data portability is the ultimate right and the key to ensure continuing innovation

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            data portability is the ultimate right and the key to ensure continuing innovation

            Interoperability in general is the solution to walled gardens and monopolies that harm competition, consumers, and innovation.

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        that’s fair. i work with data for a living so that probably biases my perspective

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    not sure how much they’ll learn from me screaming “you dumb bitch” at it

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    The new Amazon AI is going to be remarkably foul-mouthed. Every time it screws up (and it screws up a lot) I have to curse at it to make it shut up so it can hear the command again.

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      I brings me joy when I tell her “Alexa, shut up you dumb bitch” and then she responds with that sad minor tone dejected sound.

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    So who thinks this conversation here on lemmy isn’t being used to train an AI? Maybe not right now but later?

    Sure the relatively small size of lemmy means it might not be scooped up and trained on. But the point still stands. All that is publicly online is food for the big-corp AI builders. And while Alexa invading your home privacy is obviously a shitty thing, I’m not sure we’ve all thought through the new relationship between us, the internet and the big AIs.

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      Well I know I have no expectation of privacy here, but I’d rather open source LLMs train on my words along with proprietary ones, than some company hoarding information and selling it to each other.

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      The only thing an AI trained on Lemmy will ever be able to do is discuss the merits of socialism and talk about Linux lol

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    We always knew that. What they don’t tell you is your phone is also secretly listening. “Ok Google” <- turn that thing off too

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      I love being able to dictate a grocery list but god damn is she stupid.

      Good luck asking for cream cheese and chive crackers without ending up with cream cheese as one item and chive crackers as another. Or worse peanut butter and honey crackers as peanut butter and then honey crackers

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          The problem is that Alexa isn’t actually parsing the meaning of the total phrase, she’s taking each individual word as it comes. With that context, she would just as easily interpret your phrasing as “thing with thing on the side”. You’d still get chive crackers, honey crackers, peanut butter, and cream cheese.

          Edit: I thought about this a bit more, and it seems to me the only way Alexa could actually understand what you wanted is if you said “chive cream cheese crackers” or “peanut butter honey crackers”. You have to implicitly make it one item and not a potential combination of multiple items.

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            Yeah I had the same realization as I was reading this:
            you can not add Boolean terms and expect it to not separate it.

            So run on nonsense sentences are your friend and will definitely make the training from you so much more useful.

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    An always on microphone connected to a company that is mostly known to exploit their customers and employees! Say it ain’t so!

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    They are listening to you even when you’re not talking to alexa, did you know that

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      I’d love a citation on this, outside of wakeword usage (a local device waiting for "Alexa* to begin recording).

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        Source: their ass.

        Alexa devices use an onboard DSP to detect the wakeword and maintain a rolling audio buffer. On a positive match, the DSP wakes the main CPU which combines the saved buffer and any following speech and uploads it to the cloud where Alexa lives so she can try to figure out what you meant.

        No audio is uploaded without being triggered by a wakeword. Also, the “mute” button physically cuts power to the mic, and the indicator LED is hardwired to the power rail as a failsafe indicator.

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          Oh, I know. For reference, I work at Amazon, so always interested in where these stories come from 😂

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            That was more for everyone else’s edification. I worked on a plethora of Amazon devices over the course of a decade.

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      Not going to get much out of me then, most of what Alexander hears is what’s on the TV or music I listen to. If they want to train alexa on that, their fucked

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    Yeah, I realized these things are terrible about a year ago. So, I hacked them into computer speakers using some cheap amps and a 12 volt power supply.