• Aria@lemmygrad.ml
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    18
    arrow-down
    4
    ·
    11 months ago

    Saudi-led Opec Plus cartel decided to cut production by 2m barrels a day – the opposite of what Biden administration officials had pleaded with the Saudis to do. After the shock of that embarrassing announcement, which threatened to raise gas prices around the US midterm elections, Biden vowed: “There’s going to be some consequences for what they’ve done.”

    I thought you liked the free market?

    • jsdz@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      12
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      11 months ago

      That classic free market system where a cartel has regular meetings to set production levels to maximise their profits.

      • zephyreks@lemmy.mlM
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        11 months ago

        A free market is a distinct concept from a perfect market. You’re describing a perfect market operating under ideal conditions.

        A free market with laissez-faire policies lends itself directly to cartels and monopolies because a perfect market cannot exist without government intervention. Maybe you should’ve paid attention in ECON 101.

        • barsoap@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          11 months ago

          A free market is a distinct concept from a perfect market. You’re describing a perfect market operating under ideal conditions.

          The free market is a theoretical model assuming perfectly rational actors acting on perfect information and it is indeed ideal within those assumptions. The issue is that it’s not realistic. Real-world markets can be brought closer to the free market ideal by regulation. Don’t let those laissez-faire fucks confuse you what they’re peddling, by equivocation, is unregulated markets which are the complete opposite of free, what they want is institutionalised market failure.

          Next time a “free market advocate” shows up on your doorstep, tell them to give you all their trade secrets so that you have better information about everything, it’s what they want, after all.

        • jsdz@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          11 months ago

          I dunno, maybe they changed the terminology since I took it. Seems to me “free market” was not previously imbued with all that meaning you guys are reading into it. I’m not convinced it isn’t just an Americanism. To me a “free market” is simply one that’s substantially free of distortion, resembling to a notable extent a perfect market. But I’ll certainly avoid the phrase in future.

    • zephyreks@lemmy.mlM
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      9
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      11 months ago

      It’s only free for American companies.

      When Canadian companies like Bombardier try to get involved in the free market, they get blocked by the US DOJ until they run out of money.