Weird that all the people in the places they are fighting are Russian speaking Ukrainians that mostly moved into Russia during this war after being violently repressed by the Ukrainian government when they voted to join Russia and were denied
They were held in 2014. The Russian invasion came after 10 years of violent suppression of the Russian majority of Donbas. To be clear I think Russia, Ukraine, EU and US are all awful villains in the world. But the US in particular is funding both sides of this war through client states in the EU when they overthrew the Ukranian government in 2014 and clandestinely through their proxies in Russia. The end goal is the Iraqification of Ukraine and theft of their resources.
And might those ethnic Russians have been there due to a sustained campaign on the part of the Soviets to depopulate the region of ethnic Ukrainians and replace them with ethnic Russians as part of a plan to increase loyalty of the region to the central Soviet authority?
You can justify almost anything if you reach back in history far enough. It’s our responsibility to break the cycle and it’s pretty easy to stop believing the framing of a dictator who only wants to justify his territorial ambitions (and who has made noticeable overtures toward the recreation of the Russian Empire).
And might those ethnic Russians have been there due to a sustained campaign on the part of the Soviets to depopulate the region of ethnic Ukrainians and replace them with ethnic Russians as part of a plan to increase loyalty of the region to the central Soviet authority?
My guy, Douglas Tottle’s central thesis wasn’t that the genocide didn’t happen, it was that it was unintentional. He uses the exact same arguments holocaust deniers use of muddying facts and saying “well no one explicitly signed a document saying kill all these people so did it really happen?” You can do better. Unrelated but evidence he cites couldn’t have possibly have been obtained by him without working with the Soviets, which speaks to who was in control of the narrative in the book, because the Soviets sure as shit weren’t gonna work with anyone who was going to blame them.
Also cool of you to insist that the EU somehow made Russia do this. And that the existence of some people who might be Nazis totally justifies killing indiscriminately inside another country. Do you think Russia’s treatment of LGBT people would justify someone invading them and killing indiscriminately to “solve” that situation?
Not to mention that the literal Nazis used the exact same justification of “ethnic Germans are being mistreated in the Sudetenland, so we must invade and intervene” as the Russians are doing right now.
I bet you think Xinjiang is just suffering from “abnormally low birth rates” too.
In accordance with China’s affirmative action policies towards ethnic minorities, all non-Han ethnic groups were subject to different laws and were usually allowed to have two children in urban areas, and three or four in rural areas.
My guy, every definition of genocide is predicated on intentionality. Look it up.
You can argue this all you want, but when does something become intentional when you know about it and do not act to stop it? The Soviets at best knew people were dying and did nothing. Is that affirmation of the outcome, and therefore intentionality?
I knew you wouldn’t be able to resist biting the Xinjiang bait, but nice try citing a historical policy that is no longer in effect that has nothing to do with the very present low birth-rate situation.
Ah sorry I thought we were talking about invasions since the image is about Ukraine receiving support because they were invaded
Weird that all the people in the places they are fighting are Russian speaking Ukrainians that mostly moved into Russia during this war after being violently repressed by the Ukrainian government when they voted to join Russia and were denied
Hey, quick question, were those votes held before or after Russian troops were occupying those regions?
They were held in 2014. The Russian invasion came after 10 years of violent suppression of the Russian majority of Donbas. To be clear I think Russia, Ukraine, EU and US are all awful villains in the world. But the US in particular is funding both sides of this war through client states in the EU when they overthrew the Ukranian government in 2014 and clandestinely through their proxies in Russia. The end goal is the Iraqification of Ukraine and theft of their resources.
And might those ethnic Russians have been there due to a sustained campaign on the part of the Soviets to depopulate the region of ethnic Ukrainians and replace them with ethnic Russians as part of a plan to increase loyalty of the region to the central Soviet authority?
You can justify almost anything if you reach back in history far enough. It’s our responsibility to break the cycle and it’s pretty easy to stop believing the framing of a dictator who only wants to justify his territorial ambitions (and who has made noticeable overtures toward the recreation of the Russian Empire).
No, that narrative came from fascist Banderite propaganda. Relatedly, Nazis created the Ukrainian genocide myth in the 1930s, and Banderites coined the term “Holomodor” in the 1980s to evoke associations with the Holocaust.
It ought to be very easy to stop believing something that isn’t true, but sadly it’s not so easy.
My guy, Douglas Tottle’s central thesis wasn’t that the genocide didn’t happen, it was that it was unintentional. He uses the exact same arguments holocaust deniers use of muddying facts and saying “well no one explicitly signed a document saying kill all these people so did it really happen?” You can do better. Unrelated but evidence he cites couldn’t have possibly have been obtained by him without working with the Soviets, which speaks to who was in control of the narrative in the book, because the Soviets sure as shit weren’t gonna work with anyone who was going to blame them.
Also cool of you to insist that the EU somehow made Russia do this. And that the existence of some people who might be Nazis totally justifies killing indiscriminately inside another country. Do you think Russia’s treatment of LGBT people would justify someone invading them and killing indiscriminately to “solve” that situation?
Not to mention that the literal Nazis used the exact same justification of “ethnic Germans are being mistreated in the Sudetenland, so we must invade and intervene” as the Russians are doing right now.
I bet you think Xinjiang is just suffering from “abnormally low birth rates” too.
My guy, every definition of genocide is predicated on intentionality. Look it up.
Cool straw man.
Quite the opposite happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action_in_China#Affirmative_action_policies
You can argue this all you want, but when does something become intentional when you know about it and do not act to stop it? The Soviets at best knew people were dying and did nothing. Is that affirmation of the outcome, and therefore intentionality?
I knew you wouldn’t be able to resist biting the Xinjiang bait, but nice try citing a historical policy that is no longer in effect that has nothing to do with the very present low birth-rate situation.
They sure were