YouTube’s Loaded With EV Disinformation::When it comes to articles on a website like CleanTechnica, there are two kinds of articles. First, there are the … [continued]

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    8 months ago

    They solve tailpipe emissions AND all the emissions associated with mining, refining and transporting the fuel - which is enormous and usually left out of the calculations. Public transportation / walkable infrastructure is god-tier but lots of people live away from dense neighbourhoods. Ev’s are not a golden bullet solution to climate change but they’re pretty good and neither is anything else. It makes sense to attack the issue from as many angles as possible instead of getting all tunnel-vision about one particular solution.

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      but lots of people live away from dense neighbourhoods.

      then we should focus on creating a 15 minute city

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        This takes time and a lot more money. It’s something we should do in parallel, but even if we started this today, any EV sold in the next decade would be long off the road before sizable impactful progress had been made on 15min cities.

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      There are also tire and brake emissions that no one talks about.

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        These are bad from a local air-quality perspective, but they’re not relevant to climate change.

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        Tires sure, the vehicles all need to get lighter and smaller. EV Hummers just straight up don’t need to exist and are a danger to anyone near a road or parking lot.

        Brakes however, are largely used less than in ICE vehicles. Regenerative braking turns much of the kinetic energy that would become heat and brake dust back to electricity (and some heat) instead.

        Smaller vehicles will help reduce brake use even more. We need to limit heights, weights and sizes of vehicles since there’s no near term way to eliminate them. Even Texas is raising taxes base on the weight of the vehicle.

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      all the emissions associated with mining, refining and transporting the fuel

      Not trying to be pedantic… But, EVs have the same essential issue, their batteries require the same mining, refining, and transportation process as any other powered vehicle. And if your electricity isn’t sourced from renewables, you’re just kicking the problem down the road.

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        And if your electricity isn’t sourced from renewables, you’re just kicking the problem down the road.

        Partially. With the exception of maybe coal, fossil fuel energy plants are more carbon efficient than an internal combustion engine can be just due to difference in scale.

        The better option is to have it powered through 100% renewable, but it isn’t an automatic lost cause.

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        The mining only happens once. The materials in batteries are infinitely recyclable.

        Oil is single use and the impacts of mining it has caused sooooooo much damage, news agencies don’t even bother covering it anymore.

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          While it is recyclable unfortunately no one is doing that as recycling is more expensive than mining.

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      AND all the emissions associated with mining, refining and transporting the fuel

      Highly dependent on the grid you use to charge the car.

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        Not really though.

        If the grid is powered completely by coal, and the government has no plans to phase out said coal and the grid is going to stay all coal for the next 30 years. Then yes, in that case EVs aren’t a great choice.

        But like anything else and the “but the grid is currently not clean” arguments don’t really hold water.