Doug [he/him]

No lizard?

Maybe Conn? They let Wesley do it

I don’t know that I’d be thrilled with any of them as doctor honestly. I’d definitely take Mikey over Raph though. Your lineup is definitely superior.

Yes but he serves a different community

I think the two of you are having different arguments together.

You’re saying it’s a contributing factor and they’re saying it’s not the cause. Both of these things can be true.

We are taught in school that planes can fly because of the shape of the wing. That isn’t necessarily true even if it does have influence. It can happen without the wing shape. It may happen more effectively with it, but that wasn’t the claim.

You can both be right here.

I expected you 6.2 stardates ago

Didn’t watch Gravity Falls but as far as I knew they were confirmed gay, admittedly in the finale.

There was also a gay cop in Onward

I also don’t agree that Finn was a minor character, he was a regular focal point in two movies much to the annoyance of the same conservative groups.

I’m by no means suggesting Disney is anywhere in the neighborhood of acceptable. Gay characters have a tendency to be tiny roles or unpromoted movies (I watch a lot of movies and I hadn’t seen anything for Strange World before it released). I’m just saying “never” is probably inaccurate for modern Disney.

You mean the Disney that conservative groups got mad at because two women had a split second “kiss” in a movie, or the Disney that made Song of the South?

And Robert Duncan McNeill was not-Tom Paris before he was Tom Paris.

Or was he Nicholas Locarno before later being not-Nicholas Locarno

Also a Hirogen in Voyager, Smallville, SG-1, Chuck, you’ve seen him a lot probably regardless of what you usually watch.

He’s also the voice of Venom in the most recent Spider-Man game

That’s just a side effect of early warp testing

Let’s not forget that space station was made by the people who he fought in the war. That’s got to figure in to those unmentioned psychological scars.

No, but I’m gonna run his code anyway

Spent years in exile on a desert planet while being hunted by former apprentice

Dealt with two generations of whiney Skywalker men (mostly joking)

You sound really upset about this.

If you’re reading tone into my text, that’s a you problem. I doubt I can to anything to affect that, but text doesn’t carry tone, we add it ourselves based on ourselves.

Originations, at the time of origination

Sure. But if one is new the other is old. The fact that, for you, one is always new and the other is never old, says something. Perhaps you consider this reading tone in as I just talked about.

is the only thing that dictates the pronunciation of a new word.

I thought understanding dictated pronunciation. If I make up a word on the spot it means nothing because you don’t know my definition. If I write it here you will use the rules of English as you understand them to work out a pronunciation. If I had a different one this brand new word with only two people who know it has two distinct pronunciations. If you tell another person it now has three with two of them understanding the “new” pronunciation. Your own rules don’t agree.

We have all been “told by the creator” because he wrote it down for everyone to avoid confusion. Confusion followed anyway

Is that because he wrote it down and the rules indicate a different pronunciation as sensible, or because there are no rules and writing it was a futile exercise?

in part due to the absurd lies people shared online (including yourself) about non-existent rules of English linguistics.

Just because they are inconvenient for you, as well as inconsistent, does not make them non-existent or lies. The rule of law, so to speak, is inconstant but still exists. Breaking the law and getting caught at it comes with repercussions, except when it doesn’t. English has rules that are not always followed. In some cases the exceptions may even outweigh the rule, but we still consider it when entering unknown territory. I will again point to the logic we use when sounding out a word we have only seen written and add looking up a word we have only heard spoken. G makes a sound as in go, except when it doesn’t. This is a rule and an exception.

New and old are not value judgements

Correct, but new and original, used consistently, when it’s been repeatedly pointed out that “new” is functionally the same age yet that’s not been acknowledged, are.

I am listening to you, you just aren’t saying anything of value.

Something of value and something you value are not necessarily equivalent. Referring to someone else’s statements as lies because you don’t agree with them demonstrates a personal lack of value in their statements, but not an objective one. I hope you can see that difference.

You’re attacking me because you don’t like that I haven’t adopted your preferred pronunciation of a word.

My “attacking you”, which I’ll wager is far more limited than you believe, is because you’re doing the verbose equivalent of “nu uh, I’m right” and it’s exhausting.

You don’t like me because I haven’t changed to fit your preference.

No. I think you’re odd because you pronounce a word in a counterintuitive way and refuse to change. I don’t like you because you appear to have a penchant for acting superior and say that’s not what you’re doing.

I don’t care about you

Then you’ve spent an absurd amount of time here for a person and a topic you don’t care about.

because you’re the sort of person who makes value judgements about a person based on their pronunciations of a word.

Everybody in the world makes value judgements about others for something others think is ridiculous. We are all flawed humans. Many of us seek to do better than we did before.

Your entire argument is that I should change because you don’t like the way I talk.

And here you prove that you haven’t listened. In all this time and all these words that hasn’t been my argument at any point.

I’m not asking you to change the way you talk.

No, you’re just giving the impression that my way is the inferior way because yours was first and handed to us by the creator. Mine is based on lies. You’re not asking me to change, you just want me to feel bad if I don’t so you can tell yourself that you’re enlightened.

I’m pointing out the flaw in your thinking, and asking you to think for yourself.

It’s funny how often people who don’t want to say they want people to agree with them say they want others to think for themselves. I couldn’t have come to the place I am by thinking for myself? Which places can I get by doing so?

You also have a difficult time getting someone to accept flaws in their thinking by using visibly flawed thinking.

Don’t listen to internet experts who make shit up.

Like you, who says English has no rules? Or the creator of the gif, who made up a word spelled gif and pronounced jif? Does it matter if they’re not on the Internet because all the way through high school they spent a lot of time on English rules.

That’s a path to ruin

Seems a bit hyperbolic. Will the way I choose to pronounce words just be my downfall, all of society’s, or something in between?

while we’re talking about something silly and inconsequential, your attitude towards reality and dissent

I know I cut off a couple words here, but I needed to highlight that anyone who says someone’s attitude toward reality is inconsequential perhaps needs to consider some introspection before continuing a conversation.

This is all an exercise in futility. You can’t even agree with yourself on basic things (there’s no rules, the only rule is being understood, the creator decides pronunciation) so there is no hope you’ll care enough time try and understand someone you have decided is lying and not thinking for themselves. I hope the people who deal with you day to day get a better version of you than the one you present here, and that at some point you can really dig in to yourself and see the parts of you that are on display in this exchange but you insist aren’t there. I’m sure they extend to other parts of your personality and that you’d be better off without them.

That’s why he and everyone are hugging a strange brown man at the end

From the top there’s also jiff, meaning hurry. With no more effort that puts me at two and you at one, which is more as I said. Mine are also direct homophones whereas yours relies on a certain practice that I have very different experience on the frequency of than you do.

So you recognize how exceptions work but deny they’re a part of English construction? It’s all just barely organized chaos? Where’s whatever amount of organization coming from if not rules that are frequently excepted?

Yes, I’m well aware that other languages have much better structure. I’m not sure how that means English doesn’t have rules. As a kid surely between you and some friend someone’s house had fewer rules that were less enforced. Did that mean they didn’t have any rules? Of course not!

I’ll admit my falling out of favor statement isn’t scientific. However if we take the other fella’s assertation about it only being pronounced one way to begin with then it’s very much falling out of favor.

Either way I’m not looking to start yet another branch of this argument. Least of all with someone who starts by saying English doesn’t have rules with exceptions because French does.

You are deriding it. Is calling the chess piece a queen instead of a Vizir new? There’s a much bigger gap between that change than this one? Or is it not new because that’s what you know it as?

You can hide behind whatever you want, but your “told by the creator” rhetoric exposes you, even if you can’t admit it to yourself.

It’s not a compelling argument for you to change, again, because you’ve decided your way is the better one. Language, much like any other form of knowledge, has been changing, evolving, and updating with increasing speed for as long as this format has been around. I bet if you think you can figure out the connection.

It may be objectively true that one is the way the creator pronounced it but, as stated, it’s also objectively true that originations don’t dictate the pronunciations of words. I’ve given you plenty of ways that English does operate and how that lends itself to the hard g pronunciation as well as the fact that the so-called “new” pronunciation has been around nearly as long as the other one. Of course you could call that the “old” one, which is a more common counterpoint to new, yet you consistently choose “original”. But I guess neither of us is listening, hmm?

Whatever. Take your ball and go home and keep telling yourself you don’t care while telling everyone else you do with your own choices.

Or even just a board game night.

Maybe it just means boring guys. Drinking is a secondary activity, not a primary one.