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  • Ummm. Elon Musk made $100,000,000,000 by making internet propaganda about how his electric cars are better than internal combustion, lies about their capabilities (full self driving), lies about how often they explode and lies about how well his Robots work. And then the propaganda is so strong he becomes Buddy in chief and people think that literally paying Musk another $50Billion is a good idea.

    The cats out of the bag. Internet propaganda is too cheap and too effective. Everyone will be doing it if only to counter Elon Musk (let alone make money for themselves like through bullshit crypto coins or whatever).


    You or I deciding to ‘not fill the internet with shit’ stops nobody. It’s going to happen given this political climate and the benefits therein.


  • Lemmy.ml started off as marxist-lenninist site. All sites need to start with a niche and I doubt any future social network will avoid the niche issue.

    I think normies are turning off of Lemmy recently, which naturally causes the extremists feel more loud (because the extremists will NEVER leave this site).

    Trying to figure out a good social network is like looking for a good hangout in real life. The people who frequent is entirely the picture. It’s hard to compete vs commercial interests like Blue sky or whatever as they pop up though.

    Still, Threads, BlueSky and Twitter are all obviously suspect sites that will seed algorithms with their message. Lemmy doesn’t do that. Lemmy has its own issues but it’s very much a pick your poison situation.

    Early internet was just information about hobbies and for the betterment of people and furthering knowledge. Let’s take that back.

    Nope. After 2010s proved that the internet is the central location for political battles with Wikipedia Blackouts causing major political shifts, Pandoras Box has been opened.

    The internet is now the premier location for propaganda and politicalization.






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    Ah yeah the standard low effort copypasta canned arguments.

    Go learn to write more than a copy/paste and try to understand topics moving forward yo. Pretending to be an uncaring sociopath online is like Twitter / X shit. This is Lemmy, I presume you are here because you actually give a shit about these discussions.


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    Lulz. If you can’t spar with me, you will get eaten up by the actual far right / mainstream Americans out there.

    Be happy I’m willing to come over here and push back against your bubble. You guys obviously need it if you’re upvoting shitty misinformation memes like this.


    The best part of this entire discussion? Elon Musk is part of the $1/year salary club. Your entire fucking meme doesn’t even apply to the most corrupt of CEOs.

    Your argument sucks and you should make a new one. Sorry I’m the bearer of bad news but that’s better than y’all idiots going out to the real world and having a far right goon own you in a debate.


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    The board of directors removes the obvious corruption argument.

    And shareholders select the board of directors anyway, so if shareholders agree to new terms of values then CEOs can and will be fired.

    I’m looking at Intel for example and how they mistreated Pat Gelsinger and fired him despite being a technical leader. And the new incoming CEO is Lip-Bu Tan, who is a non-technical finance bro who is worse. Why did the shareholders (and board of directors) prefer Lip-Bu Tan?

    There is a large scale hero worship bro culture that’s at the root of all the problems here, a culture that millions of shareholders have which is then passed to the Board of Directors and finally the C-suite that the Board hires.

    But no. Let make shitty memes that misunderstand the power dynamics and perpetuates misinformation. That will help your argument lol.


    EDIT and that doesn’t even get to say, all the CEOs who take a $1/year paycheck just to prove you wrong. The problem here is hero worship cult culture. The pay and salaries are a distraction and easily avoided with various simple political / Public Relations moves.


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    Because today’s hero worship culture makes the mass of shareholders believe that these CEOs have skills that cannot be replicated by cheaper labor.

    But that’s not quite as simple a problem. The issue is that you are up against literally millions of shareholders who have different values than you.

    Go talk to a Tesla shareholder. They pretty much think Elon is a god. So no amount of salary is too much as long as they get Elon leading those companies. (But Elon also only takes a $1/year salary anyway to prove how awesome he is, so this entire discussion train is immediately derailed if you actually start trying to apply it in practice).

    This entire meme just fundamentally misses the entire fucking problem and is nothing more than a distraction.


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    Exactly, except in reverse.

    If you want to attract the talent of someone who has networth in the millions+++, you need to pay them more.

    The form of your argument and where you are going with the discussion is very short sighted. This isn’t a path to any actual winning argument. I suggest you start elsewhere.

    This is the problem with shitty memes. They poison your brain and make you dumb. If you actually want to make a reasonable argument throw this topic away and start anew.

    It’s not you who is wrong. It’s this meme. It’s just a terrible starting place for discussion and is innately to your disadvantage.



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    Non sequitur and you know it. Hopeless blathering hoping to find some way to make this meme correct.

    Just rewrite the meme correctly from the start so that it’s actually a reflection of reality rather than a reflection of ignorance.

    These low effort memes are just that. Low effort communication. Misinformation is bad in all regards and if shitty incorrect arguments are all that is needed to convince you of … whatever this is… then you’re an ignorant uneducated fucked citizen. Surely you see the problem here?


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    It’s not about better or worse. It’s about being correct and understanding the people and societal structures at work here

    If you aren’t interested in knowing how and why CEOs get paid, maybe don’t make dumbass memes about this subject.

    Or do. I don’t give a shit. But good luck having people believe you if you can’t even get the basics correct. Or otherwise feel good that your online culture got infiltrated by blatant misinformation.



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    Depends on the company.

    Tim Cook, CEO of Apple, owns 0.02% of Apple for example. This is #1 largest company in the world.

    Satya Nadella, CEO of Microsoft, owns 0.01% of Microsoft. This is the 2nd largest company in the world.

    Jensen Huang is 3.5% of NVidia a serious level of ownership but a far cry from controlling the board. 3rd largest company but the biggest shareholder is Vanguard group at over 8%.

    Institutional banks have the largest leeway, by far, in all of these companies. Understanding the voting structure of these companies is important if you don’t want to sound like an ignorant dumbass.

    Yeah, there’s your Elon Musks and whatnot as exceptions. But they’re really rare even in the scope of top companies of the SP500 and whatnot.