On August 31, the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights released a report substantiating the mass arbitrary detention, torture, cultural persecution, forced labor, and other serious human rights violations documented by human rights groups in Xinjiang. The high commissioner’s report says the Chinese government’s conduct in the region may constitute international crimes, “in particular crimes against humanity.”
By arguing over the differences between one genocide vs. another you’re a few steps removed from excusing one genocide because it’s not as bad as another. If you don’t want to look like a genocide apologist you might want to take a hard look at the way you discuss genocide and human rights.
Yet your own link doesn’t accuse them of mass killing, and if we’re going to call mass incarceration genocide then by what measure is the United States’ own mass incarceration campaign different?
My point isn’t to excuse anything, but there’s a very clear double standard being used here that I’m trying to point out. The same UN office which accuses China of genocide will not apply this standard to Israel or the US. You can’t ignore this!
Which one is it? Based on your comment history you’re clearly engaging in Chinese apologism. I don’t know what propaganda you’ve fallen victim to, but normal people don’t argue about genocides like this, they don’t quanticize, analyze and categorize genocides and get salty when laymen refer to a genocide as a genocide. This is the kind of behavior of appologists and propagandists.
Alternatively if we want to go full Godwin’s law, the Nazis initially “only” persecuted, imprisoned, enslaved, and tortured the Jewish people at similarly large scale before The Final Solution where they started killing them en mass. By your logic that was “only a cultural genocide” until the gas chambers entered use.
Edit: of course you put in the typical Tankie bullshit of “but but US bad” the US prison system is bad. The US has done every bad thing you can think of at least once in it’s history, but the US at least is rising above it and slowly working to right its previous wrongs. Prison labor is outlawed in many states, cruel and unusual punishment is outlawed in the entire country. Both are standard practice in China for the Uyghurs. The Uyghurs are evaluated for their patriotism and cultural compliance. The Uyghers are heavily surveiled in the country with the heaviest state serveilance aperarus in the world. China carefully controls the information that leaks out about its treatment of the Uygurs. China is showing no signs of slowing nor course correcting on their genocides, and instead is doubling down.
It’s both? What the hell, those are not mutually exclusive!
If China is doing is genocide, then you have to apply that standard to the US. You refuse to do that because “the US is rising above it” based on nothing. The incarceration rate in the US is the highest in the world, US police kill people at a vastly higher rate than Chinese police kill people, but somehow that’s not genocide in your eyes because I’m supposed to believe the US is righting any of its wrongs.
As for what “normal people” argue, they just repeat whatever they hear on the internet or on TV. Let’s not base our standards on that?
How about this? We can agree that China is committing genocide against the Uighurs, but only if we use the same standards to say that the US is committing genocide against Black and Indigenous people. Otherwise you’re just applying a double standard to say “China bad!”
At least we agree Israel is committing genocide, though. That at least gives us a baseline - but why won’t the UN?
China is showing no signs of slowing nor course correcting on their genocides, and instead is doubling down.
Bruh they’ve built a vast network of detention facilities that appear to be doing exactly that based on the information that is available.
By arguing over the differences between one genocide vs. another you’re a few steps removed from excusing one genocide because it’s not as bad as another. If you don’t want to look like a genocide apologist you might want to take a hard look at the way you discuss genocide and human rights.
Yet your own link doesn’t accuse them of mass killing, and if we’re going to call mass incarceration genocide then by what measure is the United States’ own mass incarceration campaign different?
My point isn’t to excuse anything, but there’s a very clear double standard being used here that I’m trying to point out. The same UN office which accuses China of genocide will not apply this standard to Israel or the US. You can’t ignore this!
Which one is it? Based on your comment history you’re clearly engaging in Chinese apologism. I don’t know what propaganda you’ve fallen victim to, but normal people don’t argue about genocides like this, they don’t quanticize, analyze and categorize genocides and get salty when laymen refer to a genocide as a genocide. This is the kind of behavior of appologists and propagandists.
Alternatively if we want to go full Godwin’s law, the Nazis initially “only” persecuted, imprisoned, enslaved, and tortured the Jewish people at similarly large scale before The Final Solution where they started killing them en mass. By your logic that was “only a cultural genocide” until the gas chambers entered use.
Edit: of course you put in the typical Tankie bullshit of “but but US bad” the US prison system is bad. The US has done every bad thing you can think of at least once in it’s history, but the US at least is rising above it and slowly working to right its previous wrongs. Prison labor is outlawed in many states, cruel and unusual punishment is outlawed in the entire country. Both are standard practice in China for the Uyghurs. The Uyghurs are evaluated for their patriotism and cultural compliance. The Uyghers are heavily surveiled in the country with the heaviest state serveilance aperarus in the world. China carefully controls the information that leaks out about its treatment of the Uygurs. China is showing no signs of slowing nor course correcting on their genocides, and instead is doubling down.
It’s both? What the hell, those are not mutually exclusive!
If China is doing is genocide, then you have to apply that standard to the US. You refuse to do that because “the US is rising above it” based on nothing. The incarceration rate in the US is the highest in the world, US police kill people at a vastly higher rate than Chinese police kill people, but somehow that’s not genocide in your eyes because I’m supposed to believe the US is righting any of its wrongs.
As for what “normal people” argue, they just repeat whatever they hear on the internet or on TV. Let’s not base our standards on that?
How about this? We can agree that China is committing genocide against the Uighurs, but only if we use the same standards to say that the US is committing genocide against Black and Indigenous people. Otherwise you’re just applying a double standard to say “China bad!”
At least we agree Israel is committing genocide, though. That at least gives us a baseline - but why won’t the UN?
As an aside, your own link shows the rate of arrests has slowed dramatically. That doesn’t look like the precursor to a genocide.