A fellow mod informed me that about it as I was laying in bed. Reddit sent a message to the mod team and after 1 hour demoded me. I didn’t even had time to see it, never-mind respond to it.

Looks like we rattled reddit enough to start shooting. There goes all that fancy talk about our protest not affecting them much.

Just FYI for now. It’s late here so I’ll see how we proceed tomorrow.

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    This could not be any funnier. Please reddit, take legal control of the piracy subreddit, right as you take the experienced mod team out. I’m sure everything will go fantastic.

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    Haha what the fuck I really did NOT think they would do that to r/piracy of all things. Ah well fuck them and their shitty IPO. I‘m here with you guys for good, the structure of the fediverse suits our purposes and community better anyway.

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      I would imagine that can lead to legal troubles endorsing r/piracy willingly?

      Accepting it is one thing, but forcing it to open is entirely different.

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        I would imagine too, but who knows, there is a different set of rules for companies and the rich.

        Now that Reddit is asserting direct control over it, maybe they‘ll turn it into an anti-piracy sub to prevent any legal trouble.

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        Well, they could just say: “We made a script to track every mod who closed their sub, revogate its mod permissions and notify all other mods in the sub with an automatic message”, which basically frees them from any charges regarding community content.

        They could, however, be sued for not actively removing illegal content, such as pirated things and MAP related things (e.g. r/jailbait)

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      Honestly it would probably be easy to force the sub to go dark again via ban by posting direct piracy links.

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    1: Funny we were all in here like two days ago saying “they’ll probably be happy to have the piracy sub gone”

    2: Any member of the existing mod team that helps them is a fucking scab

    3: Everyone else has made a good point about some potential liability issues of reddit the corporation wresting control of the piracy subreddit into their own hands

    4: There are so many layers of irony with a corporation saying people need to have access to the community that tells them how to commit copyright infringement and then forcing that information into the open despite what its caretakers wish.

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    Obvious that this is automated and will be going out to all subs. They definitely wouldn’t go to bat to keep a piracy sub open, unless they’re even dumber than I thought.

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    If reddit decides to moderate the Piracy subreddit directly, does that mean that they’ll be responsible to respond to DMCA requests? If so, that’s going to be a shitshow all in itself.

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    lol imagine being so desperate for the protest to come to an end that you are even targeting a community that engages in legally questionable activity.

    I’m sure the process of determining what mods to DM was automated, but even so, it’s still pretty funny to me.

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    Its an industrial lockout so classically you either organize and strike even harder or burn down the capitalist pigs factory.

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    So basically, according to Reddit, they own everything on Reddit. That means all the the CP, hate speech — and in this case, piracy — that are posted on Reddit are Reddit’s responsibility. Bold strategy, cotton. They’re basically waiving their net neutrality.

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      That means all the the CP, hate speech — and in this case, piracy — that are posted on Reddit are Reddit’s responsibility.

      Of course not, from reddit’s ToS: "By submitting Your Content to the Services, you represent and warrant that you have all rights, power, and authority necessary to grant the rights to Your Content contained within these Terms. Because you alone are responsible for Your Content, you may expose yourself to liability if you post or share Content without all necessary rights.

      You retain any ownership rights you have in Your Content, but you grant Reddit the following license to use that Content:

      When Your Content is created with or submitted to the Services, you grant us a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable, and sublicensable license to use, copy, modify, adapt, prepare derivative works of, distribute, store, perform, and display Your Content and any name, username, voice, or likeness provided in connection with Your Content in all media formats and channels now known or later developed anywhere in the world. This license includes the right for us to make Your Content available for syndication, broadcast, distribution, or publication by other companies, organizations, or individuals who partner with Reddit. You also agree that we may remove metadata associated with Your Content, and you irrevocably waive any claims and assertions of moral rights or attribution with respect to Your Content." –https://www.redditinc.com/policies/user-agreement-september-12-2021

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        That’s their TOS. Their actions recently — namely undeleting user posts and comments — run directly counter to their TOS. They’re essentially claiming ownership of the user submitted content by doing that.

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          They’re essentially claiming ownership of the user submitted content by doing that.

          Reddit reserves all the rights to everything you post ("When Your Content is created with or submitted to the Services, you grant us a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable, etc., etc.), but you alone are responsible for it (“Because you alone are responsible for Your Content, you may expose yourself to liability if you post or share Content without all necessary rights.”).

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            Terms of service are pretty much the legal equivalent of graffiti, they are there to look impressive not mean anything. You’ll struggle to find any legal rulings based on business to consumer TOS because companies know they are very like to get rejected as unenforceable due to discrepancy between the parties and inability to negotiate.

            If reddit are asserting control of content by forcibly publishing it (opening private subs and undeleting comments) then there is a very good chance a judge would see them as being responsible for it.

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        It feels so nice to know most Lemmy instances will never shove that bullshit paragraph in Legalese in our faces.

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        Does this, from a legal standpoint, absolve them of what is hosted on their servers? Especially when they just took steps to make sure it is open for bussiness?

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          As any good legal question goes, I imagine the answer is one of the many shades of “It depends.”

          Ultimately it’s going to come down to how accommodating Reddit wants to be if rightsholders lawyers come around demanding an explanation for why Reddit facilitates the piracy of their works. Generally a platform doesn’t have liability for infringing content posted on it as long as they are responsive to requests to take it down.

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          Not a lawyer, so not sure how enforceable reddit’s ToS is, but the TL;DR (as I read it) is “you’re responsible for everything you post; reddit owns it.”

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            Which is essentially what section 230 has given all social media companies. They are absolved from responsibility from what users post, but own it all and can moderate (or fail to) however they want. Companies have all of the control

            We need digital rights

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            Section 230 (often called the 26 words that created the internet) reads:

            No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.

            Wikipedia also says:

            Section 230©(2) further provides “Good Samaritan” protection from civil liability for operators of interactive computer services in the good faith removal or moderation of third-party material they deem “obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected.”

            I’m also not a lawyer so I have no clue what the ramifications for this are, but I’m guessing that Reddit isn’t liable for stuff people upload as long as the illegal stuff gets removed.

            If Reddit undeletes a post, could they be treated as the publisher? At the very least it sounds not very good-samaritan-y of them to do that, so maybe they wouldn’t be protected in that case.

            BTW, the supreme court heard a few cases centered around section 230 a few months ago! And Biden called for it to be reformed! So depending on how that goes, the internet could get shaken up soon. We’re in some interesting times.

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    They went easy on you. Some overzealous mod permabanned my entire account for talking about Lemmy. Allegedly against their ‘content guidelines’

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        Not sure mate. I’ve had a target on my back for the last couple of years I believe. I had a bunch of accounts at one stage for different purposes. I used to post a lot of long-form content: reviews, how-to tech guides etc etc and as a self preservation technique I kept each niche to a seperate account.

        Over the last 2 years I had one 11 year old account, one 8 year old account and another few fresher ones perma-banned with no reason given, or just the flimsiest excuse under the sun. I must have really pissed off one of the mods/ admins - they can track you by IP and browser info etc.

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          Given the size of Reddit, admins don’t check when mods abuse users, I had my 10 yr account with 150K nearly permabanned because of a mod banning me from my own countries sub for posting a non offensive meme on the wrong day.

          I wasn’t logged in on a computer, was using Reddit which showed me my local subs by default and the saved login credentials was a different alt.

          I was typing a comment reply, realised I wasn’t logged and signed in with the other alt, didn’t realise it wasn’t another local sub and I got suspended Reddit wide for “ban evasion” and nearly lost a decade old major account because a mod in my countries sub abused their position.

          I never retaliated, wasn’t rude, didn’t genuinely try to evade the ban and nearly lost a decade of activity.

          There are a lot of benefits to the fediverse and I plan on hosting my own personal instance soon.

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    Well, good thing that you prepared well in advance and have already built a nice alternative.

    Reddit is done

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    This bullshit made me nuke my 30k karma account. I hope lemmy won’t die month later.