• Boinkage@lemmy.world
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            9 months ago

            Substitute common sense terms. If I say “if it is an apple, it is a fruit”, does it then follow that a thing is a fruit if and only if it is an apple? No. Lots of other things are fruit without being an apple.

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              9 months ago

              Better read that one again.

              “If B then A” … “B if and only if A”?

              If Apple then fruit. Is Apple ONLY if it’s a fruit.

              This one actually checks out.

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                9 months ago

                If and only if is a biconditional. “b if and only if a” means “if b then a” AND “b only if a”. B only if A here means “It is an apple only if is a fruit”, in other words, “if it is a fruit, it could only be an apple.” Which ain’t right.

                B -> A (if B, then A) (if apple, then fruit, correct)

                B <-> A (B if and only if A) (if apple, then fruit, AND if fruit, then apple, incorrect).

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                  9 months ago

                  Gotcha. I was reading it aloud: “It’s an Apple if and only if it’s a fruit.” which isn’t wrong, but I guess the technical definition of “If and only if” assumes more than the words imply.

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            9 months ago

            If B then A is the same as if X then Y is the same as if A then B. They are saying it’s the same as the OP. Changing the letters around doesn’t change the meaning since the letters are just placeholders.

            Now if you said If A then B AND If B then A as one it wouldn’t be the same because A and B would have to keep the same meaning.

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              9 months ago

              But they switched the order in only the first half of the statement. I don’t know if everyone commenting caught that.

              Is “If B then A” equal to “B if and only if A”?

              This IS different from the original question.