(Content warning, discussions of SA and misogyny, mods I might mention politics a bit but I hope this can be taken outside the context of politics and understood as a discussion of basic human decency)
We all know how awful Reddit was when a user mentioned their gender. Immediate harassment, DMs, etc. It’s probably improved over the years? But still awful.
Until recently, Lemmy was the most progressive and supportive of basic human dignity of communities I had ever followed. I have always known this was a majority male platform, but I have been relatively pleased to see that positive expressions of masculinity have won out.
All of that changed with the recent “bear vs man” debacle. I saw women get shouted down just for expressing their stories of being sexually abused, repeatedly harassed, dogpiled, and brigaded with downvotes. Some of them held their ground, for which I am proud of them, but others I saw driven to delete their entire accounts, presumably not to return.
And I get it. The bear thing is controversial; we can all agree on this. But that should never have resulted in this level of toxicity!
I am hoping by making this post I can kind of bring awareness to this weakness, so that we can learn and grow as a community. We need to hold one another accountable for this, or the gender gap on this site is just going to get worse.
What is this anyway ? :
Here is an excellent summary I came across: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/8694944
i blocked that “blahaj” long ago. it is a shit hole. if you continue to visit it you will get it.
Still, to be mindfull i read from your link :
x says - - tldr :
if woman alone in a forest : is she better to encounter a bear or a man ?
x says...
Okay very basically this whole thing started with a hypothetical posed to a bunch of women about which they would rather run into while alone in the woods; A random man, or a bear. A lot of women chose the bear. Reasons varied from “The worst the bear will do is kill me,” to “At least I know the bear wants to kill me,” with a general theme seeming to be that whatever tangible threat the bear posed was preferable to the uncertainty of wondering whether or not a random man would assault them.
The poster’s stated goal with the hypothetical was to get men to think about why the women were choosing the bear. Instead a lot of guys took it as a personal attack, like they were being punished for the actions of other men. Many started attacking the question, insisting that bears are way more dangerous than virtually any man. This led to a lot of dismissive responses of the criticism like “This is why women choose the bear,” or talking about women’s safety being more important than men’s feelings.
I’m simplifying a lot but that’s the basic gist of it.
op answer to x
@spujb@lemmy.cafe ((OP)) Thank you for the detailed summary.
To add the final unfortunate details, there was a recent discussion on Lemmy where women were sharing their reasons for choosing bear, which involved sharing personal stories of SA. Unfortunately, many men responded in a toxic manner, causing some women to delete their posts or accounts. Very disturbing and this is what inspired me to make this post, as it is quite reminiscent of the Catholic church sweeping SA under the rug.
my opinion :
ideally if a woman had a gun she could kill the bear without any bad consequences … but she could not kill the man without legal risks. So ideally she would be better off encountering a bear … though in some countries there is no problem with encountering a man (most of the time).
What’s your beef with blahaj?
Not the person you responded to, but the blahaj admin has allowed tankies to set up shop because they’re “trans inclusive.”
There’s a really weird and concerning overlap between some trans communities and tankies. I don’t get it. It’s like Black people praising the Confederacy for fighting for states rights.
Let me get yelled at and downvoted for being a trans women who explains it.
Women choose bear of men because of they encounter a bear, there substantially less likely to get harmed then a man.
That’s it. Women choose bear over men because men harm women more.
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This comment was reported. I have left it, and decided to explain.
Nobody is saying a person is more dangerous than a bear. They are saying that a woman feels safer in the woods knowing that a bear is there than a man.
This is because a bear, generally, won’t attack unless provoked. Not all men (and I’m a man, before you try to guess) have that much restraint. This is not saying that ALL men are bad, or even MOST. Just statistically speaking, a woman is more likely to be hurt by a man in the woods than a bear.
Ignorance of the argument can be solved, and I hope this helped.