• cygon@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    So, like,

    1. Still do exactly as the “don’t vote” stooges say and let the fascists win
    2. But now also join them in posting anti-Democratic memes to actively aid the fascists
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      5 months ago

      More like:

      • Still do exactly as a democracy demands of you and exercise your political freedom
      • but now also use your political freedom to demand your government represent your interests, instead of ignoring them
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        5 months ago

        You could do both. Keep the fascists out and actively pressure the Democratic Party to move left. These memes don’t do that though.

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          Idk, I think pushing to move the party left and working within the bounds of the party positions are kind of mutually exclusive, right?

          Like as an example, if I thought we should all have pineapple on pizza, but the party position was to have mushrooms instead, I would need to vocalize that desire for pineapple somehow, right? I would at least say, “hey, I don’t want mushrooms on my pizza. Could we do pineapple instead?”.

          I don’t think quietly accepting the mushrooms is at all compatible with pushing for pineapple.

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            Um, no? You can vote and push for change at the same time.

            Imagine half of the people in the room wants shrimp pizza, which you happen to detest. Yet you’re exclusively dunking on and shouting at the mushroom group to keep it shut and stop suggesting mushrooms. Well?

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              dunking on and shouting at the mushroom group to keep it shut and stop suggesting mushrooms.

              I find it concerning that I no can no longer tell which group is supposed to be the one telling the other to shut up about the toppings

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                I know you’ve got a ban but, hopefully you can see this.

                I find it concerning that I no can no longer tell which group is supposed to be the one telling the other to shut up about the toppings

                This is actually a rather good reflection of the reality, though maybe not the way that you intend. Anti-electoralism, accelerationism, and right-wing politcs, by the data on outcomes are equivalent. It is hard to tell, at this time, whether an individual supporting the former two is genuinely a believer, a state actor, or other political operative.

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        You vote for the candidate that is more likely to entertain your interests. By allowing the one less likely to listen, you are harming yourself.

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          It’s not the politically engaged voters you need to worry about, it’s the undecided and infrequent voters you should be panicking about

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        demand your government represent your interests, instead of ignoring them

        Is that what you think will happen? You think Biden is watching memes? Or is it more likely that only normal people will see it because you’re not a lobbyist?

        Interesting outlook. If you REALLY wanted to change things you’d be posting the phone numbers of congresspeople who voted for aid to Israel. The president doesn’t create the aid packages any more than he reads your memes.