- cross-posted to:
- world@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- world@lemmy.world
“I’m fine with Asians, but Russians are Asians. They have a completely different culture, vision. Our key difference from them is humanity.”
“I’m fine with Asians, but Russians are Asians. They have a completely different culture, vision. Our key difference from them is humanity.”
Don’t you guys think all Ukrainians are nazis?
Now you see, THIS is whataboutism. The point here is that we have a leader in the current Ukrainian government who comes out and says that he considers Russians to be subhuman. You come up with a baseless claim that we think all Ukrainians are nazis. We think that the current government of Ukraine is dangerously far right and descended from actual nazi collaborators. You don’t want to hear it because it doesn’t fit your world view.
You might also be interested that I translated it using AI. Results weren’t great, but language used around the 26 second mark matches the translation in the tweet pretty well. You can do this yourself instead of just calling it fake and lashing out at the left.
I’m interested in how far we’ve come with this. What software did you use?
I didn’t spend too much time on it, and it could probably be done better. I just used free web tools to download the video and autogenerate subtitles. The text at the section I mentioned says this:
Fed into google translate, we get this:
Again, results weren’t great (which is why I didn’t post them the first time. Someone with more time on their hands could do better). But it hits a lot of the same words as the native speaker’s quote, and it seems to indicate something racist is being said. The first auto-subtitler I used was completely useless, the second was “good enough” for my purposes. I have no reason at all to believe that the original translation was fake, and this didn’t contradict the original translation.
If I were to try a third time, I would probably upload it to youtube and try using their tools, but I didn’t really want to upload it to my youtube account. Google’s natural language processing is pretty good.
Buddy reddit/r/ russia was full of you like minded nutjobs calling Ukrainians nazis. There’s tons of video clips of the same. Your poorly translated version is NOT what he’s saying. Context matters and you getting a snippet of it is not what’s being said.
Being a nutjob is when you don’t erase all your pre-2022 memories of all the western reporting about Ukraine’s Nazi problem
No? I think there is a Nazi problem, but that’s it.
Though uh, the Ukrainian security chief is sounding like a Nazi here…
Again thanks for highlighting exactly my point. Baseless nonsense as cconsumed from russia one. You guys are amazing.
He’s literally saying Russians = Asians = subhuman
Like???
I’ve seen one article parroted by Russian propaganda engines saying thus. Never seen a video or any other sources saying it.
https://twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1687461201565868032
here’s the video, can’t confirm the translation of course but if you want to try and find a russian speaker to translate this for you to disprove us go ahead
*crickets*
Tbf they last posted before I responded, probably havent seen it yet. Still, based on their behavior in the rest of the thread, I’m expecting either silence or some insane goalpost shift
What he said was that Russians aren’t like Ukrainians. More Asian than Ukrainians are and that they think differently.
Context is important and your poorly translated version is NOT what he’s saying. He’s not saying all Asians are subhuman- he’s saying they have a different past and are influenced by it. He’s saying Russians are more violent based on where they come from and the past they’ve had. This is something he hadn’t counted on etc… etc… etc… since this is just a clip I don’t know where he was going with it. But it sounds more like he saying ukrainian military is more humane with regards to how they treat people than the russians.
MY point is that you and your type will just say a thing based purely on propaganda.
Saving this comment for later whenever Western press gets around to covering the story.
Supposedly he said it on live TV. That’d be a hell of a thing for Russia to lie about lol
Oh yeah- like russia doesn’t lie about obvious things. Bombing civilians at railways, bombing civilians sheltering under theaters, bombing civilians in maternity wards, bombing civilians in retirement homes etc etc etc.
I’d be willing to bet money someone is deliberately misquoted or changing context of somethig said.
Lying about bombing civilians is standard in warfare. Everyone does it.
It definitely could be a misquote! That’s why I’m saving your comment - I want to know if I’m wrong later.
Will you listen to yourself projecting European raciasm onto your enemies? No one has ever said Ukrainians are Nazis nor have they have ever said the existence of Nazis in Ukraine is a function of their culture and their genetics. What we have said is that Ukraine has neo-Nazi movements in it that trace their lineage all the back to the Third Reich and that the US has armed, funded, trained, and organized these Nazi groups because they are useful to US strategic aims. We then couple that with the historical fact that the US has voted against the resolutions condemning the glorification of Nazis at the UN multiple times, and we show how the “democratic” government that was ushered in on a US-backed coup incorporated the Nazi elements, giving them legitimacy, political cover, access to more weapons, training, and funding, and sending a clear signal to the world that Nazism is both acceptable and useful in the battle for total European dominance of the region as part of the larger US project for total domination of the world, which the US inherited from European colonial powers.
The de-nazification that we wish to see in Ukraine is the destruction of the support systems that enable these neo-Nazis to continue to operate, expand, recruit, and propagandize.
None of this is based on anything even resembling the racism of the West, and to suggest as much as to tell on yourself how much you believe the Western propaganda that everyone acts like the West. It’s just not true.