• Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world
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    Israel detonated a whole bunch of pagers in Lebanon. It’s cartoonishly evil, and injured* a shit load of civilians.

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      11 hours ago

      Mossad <3 It was legendary operation. I had mixed feelings towards Israel but they sure stolen my heart now ❤️

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              Most are terrorists. It was pretty good op, brilliant even

              Of course there is always collateral in any war. Ukraine has killed its fair share of civilians too. It’s unavoidable

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                No, that’s bullshit. You don’t just go setting off bombs in populated areas, injuring thousands of people and not have the majority of those injuries going to innocent civilians.

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                  Idk for me injuring or killing thousands of hezbollah in one day is a win but like maybe you are more aligned with their faction. well we all have our interests and may happen to be on the opposite side such is life.

                  I am so called Zionist and a lover of the west. The way of life, without burkas, ability to kiss same gender on the street etc. This is my side. May we win 💪🏳️‍🌈

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                    Idk for me injuring or killing thousands of hezbollah

                    You’re still not getting it. The majority of injuries aren’t hezbollah.

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          True. For a price of one kid Israel completely fucked over vile terrorists. It is a great price yes but something we have been doing since forever.

          How many children allies killed in ww2? Do not ever look it up.

          Unfortunately there are people out there that need to be stopped and it rarely ever happens smoothly. This was as smooth as it can ever get

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            Islamic fundamentalists yearning to spill the blood of lgbt and all the other western “degenerates” in the name of their god need to be stopped. And it best if it happens without too many civilian causalities but the war is war.

            Isis, hezbollah, hamas, Al-Qaeda are all pests that need to be eradicated again and again like weeds that grow out constantly

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      Civilians? A shit load? Except that little girl, no mainstream media mentioned any other civilian

      It was a surgical level sabotage with almost zero collateral damage

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        … You are aware of what happens when you explode bombs in civilian heavy areas. You are also aware that is a war crime right?

        also Lebinon is not at war so none of there citizens are valid targets

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          Well if we re playing “words & technicality” here, so yeah i guess that would be a “war crime”, if Israel did it, but again technically who knows? Maybe Allah felt a lil bloody today, and that’s his punishment

          If we abandon “technicality”, then while not "technically " at war, Lebanon keeps firing missiles at Israel on regular basis, so that kinda justifies the killing of the supposed “civilians”.

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            If we follow your line of argument, October 7th was not a terrorist attack but only a war action and Hamas is only a contender in that war, not a terrorist group. Do you agree with that?

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              I don’t know who you are talking to? I am speaking about Hezbollah operatives using pagers. I was talking about them this whole fucking thread, please do the effort to read at least before throwing “think of the children!!11”

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            Your argument equates to “Hezbollah targets civilians so Israel can too”. Either you severely lack common sense or in reality you have a bias towards other middle eastern countries and you think they are basically all terrorists and everyone in Lebanon is exalted about the Hezbollah governance.

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                    Not one kid, atleast two kids and medical workers.

                    “Tuesday’s attacks, which targeted pagers used by members of Hezbollah and have been attributed to Israel, left at least 2,800 injured and 12 dead, including two children and a healthcare worker.”

                    “At least one explosion was close to a funeral being held in Beirut for some of the victims of Tuesday’s attack, creating panic among those near the procession.”

                    “People in Lebanon are terrified of everyday communication devices following two days of deadly pager and walkie-talkie blasts, said Nabih Bulos, Middle East bureau chief of the Los Angeles Times.”

                    “Two beeps and a pause was the only warning Yusuf got. He turned around to face the noise, thinking it was one of his medical instruments, but instead was met with an explosion, throwing shrapnel into his leg. His patient fared much worse.”

                    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/18/lebanon-beirut-medics-civilians-horrified-pager-attacks

                    https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/lebanon-pagers-explode-hezbollah-israel-09-18-24-intl-hnk/index.html

                    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz04m913m49o

                    It also had the exact same effect that a terrorist organization wishes to instill in a populace, terrorised to go out in public.

                    And if you think all of those 3000 injured people are militant members of Hezbollah:

                    1- it is just wishful thinking to verify your own world view

                    2- you will be very disappointed in the next couple weeks (or just again disregard any contrary evidence so as to keep living in your simple world)

                    All in all it is absolutely clear that multiple civilians including two kids have died, this was an attack with very high risk of civilian casualties and it terrorised/traumatized the civilian populace of Lebanon. This is not the clean surgical operation that you dream it to be, this is just an operation that demonstrates alot of power, reach and blatant disregard for civilian life. You are only drooling over the first two and pretending like the third does not exist (I dont know why because so far my impression of you is that you simply wouldnt care).

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            the diffrence being that Missles are valid military tactics esepcialy when sent to military targets, and as far as I am aware that is what Hezbula is doing, as for palistine, as an opressed group fighting for freedom the UN has a seperate set of rules of war they are permitted to engage in, does that make it asymetical, yes but that is how the internaltional law is written (and you dont need to agree with me editorializing of palistine for the seperate rules of war that they use kick in)

            Isreal sent in bombs with no way of discriminating civilian and military targets, and knew said individuals would bring it into civlilan centers, the fact they did that in a way where it entered civilian centers, with no military objective is also a war crime.

            we also can be pretty sure that this shipment was not all going to Hezbula and it can be reasonably assumed others in lebenon where effected, though I will admit this part is me thinking outloud with no evidence to back it up yet

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              What are you saying? Lol i can’t argue with someone who s trying to gaslight me into thinking this never happened https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/27/middleeast/lebanon-israel-golan-strikes-intl-latam/ Lebanon literally fires indiscriminately, because they don’t have anything else to shoot with.

              Israel surgically targeted members of Hezbollah, in this case (i am not arguing about gaza or anything else). This a masterclass of warfare. Unlike their usual strike in the middle of refugee camps lol

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                If Hezbollah did exactly this to Israel, you wouldn’t be saying “surgically targeted” or “a masterclass in warfare”

                This is terrorism. Lebanese civilians are people like anyone else, including you

                Thousands of pagers simultaneously exploded across Lebanon and parts of Syria on September 17, 2024, resulting in at least 12 deaths, including at least two children and two health workers, and at least 2,800 injuries, according to Lebanon’s Ministry of Health.

                Photographs and videos filmed by victims and witnesses to the incident and reviewed by Human Rights Watch showed pagers exploding in various locales, such as grocery stores. Other videos that appear to be linked to the incident show adults and children in emergency rooms with severe penetrating traumatic injuries to their heads, torsos. and limbs, and other injuries consistent with the detonation of high explosives.

                Hezbollah, in a statement, said that the pagers belonged “to employees of various Hezbollah units and institutions” and blamed the Israeli government. US and former Israeli officials speaking to the media said that Israel was responsible for the attack. The Israeli military has not commented.

                “Customary international humanitarian law prohibits the use of booby traps – objects that civilians are likely to be attracted to or are associated with normal civilian daily use – precisely to avoid putting civilians at grave risk and produce the devastating scenes that continue to unfold across Lebanon today. The use of an explosive device whose exact location could not be reliably known would be unlawfully indiscriminate, using a means of attack that could not be directed at a specific military target and as a result would strike military targets and civilians without distinction. A prompt and impartial investigation into the attacks should be urgently conducted.”

                • Lama Fakih, Middle East and North Africa Director at Human Rights Watch
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                  I would say exactly what i said here : masterclass in enemy elimination: don’t worry, i am pretty consistent in my logic, I am not complaining when they target Israeli soldiers on daily basis, that’s fair game

                  Those are not civilians, that’s where you banging this argument against my head, but that won’t make it : those are people who openly says they have a goal to kill Israeli, and they are trying to do so, daily. Those are soldiers, however they wish to call themselves

                  Your cited arguments might have a legal ground, but they have no moral basis. Those are soldiers. Fair game.

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                If you read the report from CNN Hezbulah takes credit for attacks in the area, however does not take credit for the one the article is talking about.

                I do not see the reasoning for a military group to take credit for attacks in an area but not this one if it was one they launced. I will be honest my analisis beyond here would be tanted by my own personal bias however.

                We are also talking about civilians living in occupied territory that even the UN has said is illegal and ought to be returned, agian I would like to refer you to the international law that allowes for asymetiric warfare in causes of national liberation.

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        The death toll rose from eight to nine on Tuesday night while the number of injured remained at 2,750, Lebanon’s health ministry said.

        https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/dozens-hezbollah-members-wounded-lebanon-when-pagers-exploded-sources-witnesses-2024-09-17/

        I’ll admit I misread earlier statements, and updated my previous comment to reflect that.

        But quit the bullshit. There is nothing “surgical” about ~3k people getting injured. That’s collateral damage, and a fucking lot of it.

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            You can say this only because you don’t think you’ll ever be the enemy and you have no empathy for others.

            Also, you lack knowledge on a wide range of topics that are involved here.

            A smarter person would recognize their lack of knowledge and would not be speaking on topic.