• ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    6
    arrow-down
    4
    ·
    1 month ago

    A disinformation campaign designed to ban lifesaving medical treatments isn’t a viewpoint we need to respect. The success of such of a campaign would deny trans people the fundamental right to exist.

    • crashfrog@sopuli.xyz
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 month ago

      I’m not saying we need to respect it, but the mail shouldn’t censor materials based on viewpoint.

      Not censoring isn’t “respect”, it’s the minimum a free people should expect from their government.

      • ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 month ago

        This is referred to as the paradox of tolerance. The idea that we have to tolerate intolerance is an incorrect resolution of the paradox. We can solve the paradox by reframing tolerance as a social contract or peace treaty.

        In this framing, everyone agrees to tolerate each other. If a group, such as fascists, decide to be intolerant to another group the fascists have broken the social contract of tolerance. The fascists are no longer covered by the protections of the social contract of tolerance and in the case of this disinformation campaign, their speech is not protected.

        This is the minimum that freedom loving people should expect from their democracy. We should tolerate everyone, but not tolerate intolerance. Fascists do not have the right to deny groups the fundamental right to exist with their speech.

        To be clear, gender affirming care is a collection of life saving medical treatments. A ban on gender affirming care would deny trans people the fundamental right to exist. That Canadian woman’s refusal to spread a targeted life-threatening disinformation campaign was a strategic decision to defend life and liberty.

        • crashfrog@sopuli.xyz
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 month ago

          The idea that we have to tolerate intolerance is an incorrect resolution of the paradox.

          But I’m saying we shouldn’t tolerate intolerance. You’re the one saying we have to.

          • ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            1 month ago

            But I’m saying we shouldn’t tolerate intolerance. You’re the one saying we have to.

            The opposite is in fact true. The fascists have breached the social contract of tolerance with their disinformation campaign. If they are not going to follow the agreement, then they are not protected by it. In other words, standing up against the fascists does not make us fascists. We should strategically defend our lives and liberties as needed. To do otherwise would make us complicit in our own destruction.

            • crashfrog@sopuli.xyz
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              1 month ago

              The fascists have breached the social contract of tolerance with their disinformation campaign

              I don’t think there was ever a “social contract” where we agreed that you couldn’t send things through the mail that weren’t socially determined to be “true”, but if we ever did, you’re violating the compact by describing gender reassignment treatment as “lifesaving” when the best evidence on the issue is that it’s neutral at best.

                  • itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    4
                    arrow-down
                    1
                    ·
                    1 month ago

                    No one is saying that it will be deadly, always. What depriving a trans person from gender affirming care does is make them miserable, drive them towards unhealthy coping mechanism and raises suicidality.

                    The evidence is neutral at best, yeah?

                    There’s also a meta review, that, while saying that more rigorous research is needed, says

                    Of the 23 studies that met the inclusion criteria, the majority indicated a reduction in suicidality following gender-affirming treatment

                    So, stop lying.