Veteran here. If it’s any consolation, basic training included a fairly lengthy course (well… relative to the other shit they teach there at least) about how to identify and what to do when given unlawful orders. Lots of emphasis on DO NOT FUCKING FOLLOW THEM. Lots of emphasis on the Nuremberg trials / if your defense is “just followed orders…” then you’re fucked. They talked about people like Hugh Thompson Jr. and the severe back pain he sustained from lugging around those massive balls.
The military does NOT want to become Nazis or stormtroopers. If Trump plays the whole ‘execute order 66’ card, military leadership will tell him to suck a dick.
It’s the cops I’m worried about. And the neonazi civilians responding to Trump’s stochastic terrorism.
What if I told you, there are PLENTY of soldiers in every branch ready and waiting to betray any oath for daddy trump. They went through the same classes you did and just nodded along to get through it. Now they’re trained, and ready to fill the void when Trump fires or demotes anyone who refuses his orders.
And what if I told you that there’s also plenty of soldiers that will uphold the constitution and will be ready to fight for it.
They better get ready for a fight because it’s coming. they will have to decide if they will just resign in protest or if they will fight. How many will actually fight? Who knows. Nearly everyone I know personally in the military, has said many times “it’s just a job”
They talked about people like Hugh Thompson Jr. and the severe back pain he sustained from lugging around those massive balls.
Did they talk about that absolutely nobody from the My Lai massacre - the example you brought up - saw any real consequences, with only one guy - who killed 22 - serving 3.5 years before Nixon got him out?
Or that the highest ranking surviving Nazi, who had a real say in German leadership during the war, was Hitler’s trusted advisor and unrepentant, unwavering follower, even after the war, got off with 10 years since the US and the UK committed similar war crimes as he did, so they didn’t sentence him for that?
Or the Hague invasion act and US war crimes that precipitated it? Or the US war crimes since?
I think those guys will be just fine saying “I was just following the orders of the magnificent Cheeto”.
Nope! This is basic training we’re talking about. They teach only the details that accomplish the lesson. And the lesson was don’t follow illegal orders. If there’s more to the story that contradicts the lesson, you bet your ass it was omitted.
Give the military time. Good people will get tired or will retire. No one wants to have to fight this much.
Except the military is trained to… y’know fight and defend the constitution.
They can force people to take the classes, but they can’t force them to agree with them. I’m glad they go over this, but they should probably test people on this stuff without warning them it’s a drill and see how they actually respond.
Officers in every branch are also trained to protect their people and be transparent with leadership about their limitations. Remember Captain Crozier?
Anyone who’s in long enough and is politically savvy enough to get stars, stopped caring about that stuff a long time ago.
“Pentagon officials discuss what to do if Trump were to attempt to deploy the military domestically, CNN reports”
“After CNN reports, the Trump administration discusses how to replace all Pentagon officials, CNN reports.”
Does CNN have an opinion on the matter?
No worries, with project 2025, anyone not completely loyal to Trump or a minority will be retired in order make the military great again!
Changes made to dod policy in September allows him to use the military domestically upon request of local police force.
Which would still violate the posse comitatus act
SCOTUS:
I want to move for a bad court thingy
Gweotweeeeen
Im sure there is a gray area there with DOD adding it to 5402.01
Jesus Christ would you people stop citing on the books laws as if they mean ANYTHING now. Trump and his people will do whatever they want, the law be damned. Ink on a page in a law book means nothing to them now.
That’s why he wants Hitler’s generals instead. Much more suited to his style of governance.
I hope the generals succeed in their attempts this time.
Thank fucking god
You record it and impeach him
Because that’ll work in a Republican controlled House and Senate. I’m sure they’ll get right on drawing up articles of impeachment.
Oh they’ll do an impeachment, they’ll impeach Obama Biden Harris 3 times just to “own the libs” then do a senate shenaigan where they call up republican senators while blocking democratic sentors from entering then they vote unanimous 51/51 and block them from eligibility of future federal office, even tho they probably wont run again.
Understand that when your goal is blocking things, you somstimes do things you know will almost certainly fail. Republicans have used this playbook for ages to block the Democratic party
Make them get tied up in as many pointless tasks to distract them from their other goals. Sometimes you’ll even occasionally win a long shot challange
Then we just get fukt
If everything he does, per SCOTUS, while President is legal, than what do you impeach him for? Also, you guys voted in a red House and Senate, so that’s not happening on a good day.
I’m getting very tired of happy happy joy joy style and unrealistic posts. We need to talk raw reality here, people.
To my understanding the ruling doesn’t affect impeachment. Trump’s team argued that impeachment was the check and balance on presidential power iirc
You dont. I’m just fucken angry.
Ignore them
