Apart from the bird flu being really fucking dangerous raw milk is just a matter of being used to it. If you drink it your whole life it is really not a problem to drink it, as long as a proper hygiene is applied. However, aomeone who isn’t used to it might get sick from drinking it.
Quit saying objectively stupid shit that will get people killed. Jesus Christ.
This isn’t an opinion, it’s a hazard.
“I think that allowing my child to go play in traffic really isn’t that bad”. Look if your stupid ass commits suicide by raw milk, fine, but there are people who don’t know all the facts who might listen to you, and you might be directly responsible for getting the idea into their heads that, when acted upon, kills them. That’s close enough to murder by any sensible ethical standard.
And that’s why I said as long as proper hygiene is being practised. This also includes separating the milk from sick cows.
Also, to kind of prove my point: Every single farmer I know, that has cows, drinks the raw milk. Did they die or get sick? No. Does this mean that nobody will get sick? Also no.
This has to be the way to (possibly literally) die on a hill. There’s simply no downside to pasteurization. It effectively inactivates dangerous pathogens because, unless you have a cow in your back yard and can strictly adhere to your supposed “hygiene” protocols that magically negate the safe and reliable process of we’ve been using for well over a century… you know what, no. Your take is just ratfuck insane.
Sadly the ‘factory farm’ dairy industry probably won’t follow the proper hygiene you’re referring to, and I’d imagine that the current administration would be more interested in reducing the regulations that would force proper hygiene than increase them.
I can’t say anything about the hygienic standards for milk production in the US, but i absolutely agree with you, that under trump such laws will probably get weakened.
Just seen this is in lemmy.world - home of the big brains who are experts IN EVERYTHING. Makes sense why a factually accurate statement gets downvoted.
If raw milk is as dangerous as some of the keyboard experts on here think then Louis Pasteur would never have been born - humans would’ve died out in Northern Europe long before.
Actually, people DID die from these pathogens, in droves, before pasteurization. Most of those didn’t get a chance to “get used” to it, because they were CHILDREN, who hadn’t had a lifetime to get used to it. They’d get sick from this, and either die of some foodborne pathogen, or an opportunistic infection taking advantage of their weakened immune system would kill them off - scarlet fever, mumps, measles, tuberculosis, etc.
It’s not just “well if you drink it you die”. Thousands would likely die from this - in fact, if you pay attention to the raw milk weirdo cultists on Facebook and other outlets, their kids do get sick and die way more often, usually because those people also don’t believe in things like modern medicine. Combine everything ABOVE with a man who has literally stated, multiple times, on microphone, that modern medicine is a sham and he’d love to see the whole modern pharmaceutical industry disappear, and one hopes you can begin to see where the “fear mongering” is coming from, logically.
Yes. I wish more people were like you. What you wrote is correct. It Is far more nuanced than the crowd here are saying, as you acknowledge. I hope people take onboard what you posted. The only reason so many of us are alive is because of pasteurisation, vaccines (I assume the word is related to cows), modern medicine, biocides etc. To move away from these things, en masse, would cull a huge proportion of people. There’s a reason families pumped out 10-15 kids - they hoped a few would get to adulthood.
I’ve buried children, under those circumstances, and it’s the saddest fucking thing I’ve ever done.
Apart from the bird flu being really fucking dangerous raw milk is just a matter of being used to it. If you drink it your whole life it is really not a problem to drink it, as long as a proper hygiene is applied. However, aomeone who isn’t used to it might get sick from drinking it.
Quit saying objectively stupid shit that will get people killed. Jesus Christ.
This isn’t an opinion, it’s a hazard.
“I think that allowing my child to go play in traffic really isn’t that bad”. Look if your stupid ass commits suicide by raw milk, fine, but there are people who don’t know all the facts who might listen to you, and you might be directly responsible for getting the idea into their heads that, when acted upon, kills them. That’s close enough to murder by any sensible ethical standard.
Quit it.
Sounds yummy
I know a guy who got tuberculosis from raw milk.
Don’t forget delicious parasites and their eggs.
And that’s why I said as long as proper hygiene is being practised. This also includes separating the milk from sick cows.
Also, to kind of prove my point: Every single farmer I know, that has cows, drinks the raw milk. Did they die or get sick? No. Does this mean that nobody will get sick? Also no.
This has to be the way to (possibly literally) die on a hill. There’s simply no downside to pasteurization. It effectively inactivates dangerous pathogens because, unless you have a cow in your back yard and can strictly adhere to your supposed “hygiene” protocols that magically negate the safe and reliable process of we’ve been using for well over a century… you know what, no. Your take is just ratfuck insane.
Pasteurisation has one hell of a downside. The taste. Raw milk tastes much better than pasteurized Milk. That’s at least my opinion.
What’s the name of the cow you get your raw milk from?
Do you get a veterinary report about her with every bottle of milk?
I can name you at least 30 of them. How do I know? Because I live on their farm.
Username checks out.
Sadly the ‘factory farm’ dairy industry probably won’t follow the proper hygiene you’re referring to, and I’d imagine that the current administration would be more interested in reducing the regulations that would force proper hygiene than increase them.
I can’t say anything about the hygienic standards for milk production in the US, but i absolutely agree with you, that under trump such laws will probably get weakened.
Just seen this is in lemmy.world - home of the big brains who are experts IN EVERYTHING. Makes sense why a factually accurate statement gets downvoted.
If raw milk is as dangerous as some of the keyboard experts on here think then Louis Pasteur would never have been born - humans would’ve died out in Northern Europe long before.
Actually, people DID die from these pathogens, in droves, before pasteurization. Most of those didn’t get a chance to “get used” to it, because they were CHILDREN, who hadn’t had a lifetime to get used to it. They’d get sick from this, and either die of some foodborne pathogen, or an opportunistic infection taking advantage of their weakened immune system would kill them off - scarlet fever, mumps, measles, tuberculosis, etc.
It’s not just “well if you drink it you die”. Thousands would likely die from this - in fact, if you pay attention to the raw milk weirdo cultists on Facebook and other outlets, their kids do get sick and die way more often, usually because those people also don’t believe in things like modern medicine. Combine everything ABOVE with a man who has literally stated, multiple times, on microphone, that modern medicine is a sham and he’d love to see the whole modern pharmaceutical industry disappear, and one hopes you can begin to see where the “fear mongering” is coming from, logically.
Yes. I wish more people were like you. What you wrote is correct. It Is far more nuanced than the crowd here are saying, as you acknowledge. I hope people take onboard what you posted. The only reason so many of us are alive is because of pasteurisation, vaccines (I assume the word is related to cows), modern medicine, biocides etc. To move away from these things, en masse, would cull a huge proportion of people. There’s a reason families pumped out 10-15 kids - they hoped a few would get to adulthood.
I’ve buried children, under those circumstances, and it’s the saddest fucking thing I’ve ever done.
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Exactly. You need to build a “tolerance” to it… as you yourself, being a dairy/beef farmer (I assume) know.