Who the fuck knew we are going to see the fall of America in our lifetimes. The only thing I hope for at this point is strong Europe.
Who the fuck knew we are going to see the fall of America in our lifetimes.
No one thinks major downward shifts will happen in their lifetime…until they do. Our great shame is that we voted for it.
Writing’s on the wall. We’re squarely on the path of decline.
Only thing to debate now is the timeline.
I remember pointing out to my 8th grade social studies teacher that most countries don’t get to exist for over 200 years, especially after they have a massive civil war.
History repeats itself (because humans are stupid).
Pick up a history book to find out where it goes from here.
Canuck here.
Doesn’t the Posse Comitatus Act prohibit the use of military (other than National Guard and Coast Guard) for this purpose?
I see they can be used but only if the Insurrection Act is invoked (might be other ways but that’s the one that came up most frequently in my searches).
Speaking as a Canadian, I’m confused. If you boot out all the undocumented, where are you going to find the migrant workers to do all the unpleasant, if not downright dangerous jobs? And many of those are in red states. What does that leave? The convict workforce? I guess that is huge in the US.
We have migrant workers here too. They come on temporary visas, so they are technically documented. But the whole sector is rife with discrimination and human rights violations regardless.
Yup.
Getting rid of a ton of cheap labor is not good for an economy.
Red states will suffer more.
They’ll ask for more federal funds to support them than they already do.
Their daddy in the big seat will give it to them.
Just more of our money going to a bunch of ignorant/racist fools who can’t learn to vote more intelligently.
In a roundabout way… If they get the handouts, they will see trump as the saviour. The fact he caused the issues are irrelevant or that it costs something else so they can get their trump food stamps…
It doesn’t matter how badly this administration fails. At the end of 4 years they’ll find a way to blame Democrats and praise Trump, even though that makes no sense because their team is in total control.
But that’s the nature of a cult.
A migrant worker is not undocumented. Many are here in a legitimate work visa and it’s heavily used in farming.
Undocumented aliens comprise several subgroups and I suppose you can say “I really meant ….”.
For example the most common illegal is a formerly legal visiting student or worker who overstays their visa. And as you said, this is an area subject to human rights violation and discrimination: an employer can treat someone as poorly as they want, when someone is subject to deportation if they lose their job
The children yearn for the mines.
This. Defunding education, removing social safety nets, and scaling back labour laws all will force whole families of low income workers to replace the migrant workers for the same or worse pay.
Absolutely. My comment was just a quip/ meme, but I do worry that what you laid out is their goal.
They have indicated in Project 2025 that they plan to rollback various safety nets. Unfortunately, the US is already lacking in that.
Oh! I got the meme! I also preferred it when it was clearly a joke, not a call to child labour.
He’ll be focusing on undocumented folks in blue states, first, for sure. But economists are already predicting skyrocketing grocery prices as labor scarcity is forcibly introduced by these deportations, either way.
My guess, he focuses purely on “shock and awe” by targeting blue cities with workplace raids rather than just going to literally every farm in the south.
In my blue state, they’d have to use purely federal resources. Local law enforcement is not required to cooperate
Spoiler for you: they’ll comply and cooperate. Police aren’t known as bastions and liberal policies and agendas. They’re overwhelming MAGAts
The police are not your friends
Police are just as lazy as anyone else. While there will be a few turncoats, I’d expect them to generally go along with “you can snub a fed and do nothing”
ICE and DEA are probably in every state already.
I’m sure they are in every state, and can do enough to make headlines, continue stoking outrage. However they don’t have the manpower to actually take it seriously, or to investigate beyond what big name they want to use for propaganda
I know. The headlines are all 47 will care about. As is tradition.
Step 1: be rich
Step 2: bribe the government to do your bidding
Step 3: decimate the workforce of your competitors
Step 4: profit, buy out competition, become “too big to fail”
They will use the newly incarcerated immigrants as slave labor as apportioned by the 13th amendment.
Likely a food shortage, if not an actual famine. It’s fucking stupid.
Did you expect anything different?
Don’t worry, I’m sure he has a concept of a plan for that…or he didn’t bother thinking about it yet because he’s so stupid he can’t think more than a single step ahead for anything.
If Republicans truly saw companies hiring illegal immigrants as an issue, they’d be able to easily crack down on business owners doing the hiring and make the punishment more than just a slap on the wrist.
No, the cruelty towards other humans is the point. They don’t care about the non-existent issue.
The slippery slope here is that deciding who is “illegal” may vary wildly depending on who Trump empowers (legit or just some Nazis that want “safe streets”) to decide this. He has had people saying just undocumented, but also people saying anyone that isn’t a full citizen (so anyone here with a Visa/Green Card/work papers/migrant workers/refugees/etc.).
You also know that when the Nazis/KKK folks get to work they are just going to be grabbing people that “look illegal” or that run from them/their mob (because they look dangerous!).
This is also going to have a HUGE impact on food prices when farmers have nobody to pick crops.
Get out of here with your woke pronouns, it’s ’he/him mob’!
Reposting my comment again.
Like the German version of Nazis before them, they aren’t coming for their biggest target first. They’re coming for their political opposition, the “abortionists”, the atheists, the drug users, the mentally ill…
RFK Jr.:
“I’m going to create these wellness farms where they can go to get off of illegal drugs, off of opiates, but also illegal drugs, other psychiatric drugs, if they want to, to get off of SSRIs, to get off of benzos, to get off of Adderall, and to spend time as much time as they need — three or four years if they need it— to learn to get reparented, to reconnect with communities,”
Re-education camps, huh.
Dude just watched A Scanner Darkly and stole the idea.
If the alternative is prison, these “wellness farms” may actually be better.
The problem is that i don’t trust the source
Trump has said he is bringing back mental institutions. They don’t exist yet, so, concentration camps until then.
I’m not going to a camp or prison for my managed mental illness, so I guess they’ll have to kill me and kidnap my children.
It seriously sounds like one of those bullshit dystopian things. “Oh he’s getting better on the wellness farm.” Meanwhile dude is in a fucking gulag.
Greetings from Germany. Maybe you want to skip everything that happens from now on and end this before this lunatic takes office.
On a unrelated topic: aren’t you the nation with the most guns?
The majority of voters who cast a valid ballot voted for him, what do you even do with those people? You get rid of their leader, another take their place. The military took an oath to the constitution, that included recognizing the results of elections, regardless of if they are a fascist. The US isn’t a Defensive Democracy like modern day Germany, we aren’t getting rid of them until the next election, that is, if there ever is a next election.
Don’t forget the German police murdered JStark in 2021.
aren’t you the nation with the most guns?
Yes, and ownership is predominantly with those who want to kill/ deport immigrants. In the US, there are ~120.5 guns per 100 people. However, this statistic is misleading, because you might expect most people to have 1 gun, and a few people to have more than one to get to that statistic. However, most households do not have a fire arm.
So the average gun-owner, actually owns from 4-8 guns, while the majority of Americans own 0 guns. We have a culture of gun-obsessed rightwing psychopaths.
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As a non-right wing, non-psychopath, I’m uncomfortable with the idea of owning a gun at all.
I don’t want one in my home and I don’t want one on my person. Even if I did purchase one and ended up using it to protect myself, the knowledge that I took a human’s life would be too much for me to live with.
There’s a problem with TOO MANY GUNS.
Let’s solve that problem by GETTING MORE GUNS
The problem there is the government already has most of the guns and are very, very willing to use them.
When was the last time the military used the guns against its population?
Wounded Knee (the second one not the original one) was 1973.
Kent State in '70. The Bonus Army (homeless WWI vets) in the 30s. Blair Mountain (coal miners on strike) and the Tulsa Race Massacre in '21.
Only a half dozen times in the last 100 years or so.
Every day, when the militarized police kill innocent people extrajudicially.
54 years, I think?
Its always interesting and telling how people respond to things. Your assumption that I don’t own a fire arm tells me more about you than it ever would myself.
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I’m really sorry if you’re having a bad day,
Why did that lead you to respond in such an angry manner?
I think you need to take a breath and check to see if you’ve made any correct assumptions whatsoever in this conversation. The tone of my response couldn’t be more sanguine.
The majority of the gun owners are also right wing Trumpers.
The dumb part is they’re also targeting the people who they trained to be killers
My hope is that once all the farm/meat packing workers get deported, we realize that we don’t have any food left. After a few months of being vegetarian, the red-meat eating conservatives will back-track and finally open up a legal path for all those workers to be here.
They aren’t going to be deported, that’s a logistical nightmare. They will be put into privately own facilities where they will be forced to work.
The rich and powerful will still be buying meat at the insane rates, and their opinions are the only ones the other rich and powerful care about
Its one bigmac, what could it cost, $10?
Meat won’t be the only impacted ag industry. A lot of fruits and vegetables still require hand picking and packing. The only product that is largely automated from start to finish is grain. Maybe potatoes, too.
If you can get out of this country, get out.
Yup.
Obviously that’s not an option for the vast majority. But if you have the means, then there are absolutely 1st world countries where you can live a longer, healthier, less stressful life where you are afforded more rights.
This ship is sinking. Maybe slowly, but definitely sinking.
The Gestapo is coming.
Surely nobody would ever march their army on Rome.
Oh hey look, there’s the ultraconservative Sulla, why does he have his entire army with him?
