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not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone to Microblog Memes@lemmy.worldEnglish · 22 days ago

the state doesn't care anymore

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the state doesn't care anymore

not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone to Microblog Memes@lemmy.worldEnglish · 22 days ago
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    If you’re curious to learn more, you can check out this video. It is a very interesting and complex issue. It helps to understand some of El Salvador’s history before passing judgement, but that doesn’t of course mean, that this prison’s facilities and living conditions are acceptable. I just think it’s worth learning a little bit about why this prison exists in the first place.

    Still, the fact that innocent US citizens supposedly have been sent there is fucking terrifying and should have never happened.

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      Ummm, first thanks for the info, second those comments on the video are really scary… They seem to promote concentrarion camps… Third, CNN here doesnt seem to aknowledge that it is a concentration camp and seems to dehumanize the prisoners (at least judging from the title)

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        Yeah. I chose this older coverage on purpose because it goes into the reasons why the prison exists, but if you check out more recent coverage of the prison, the tone is very different. I have linked to the same reporter revisiting Cecot. It is a bit funny how different the tone is now that it has dawned on people that there is no guarantee that all the people in that prison are convicted terrorists and that some may even be innocent.

        I still find the whole issue incredibly fascinating in a scary sort of way. It’s good that dangerous criminals are being removed from the streets, but everything past that action is drenched in human rights nightmares.

        But yeah, funny how people can think one way 5 months ago when it didn’t concern themselves and now it is a death camp and a human rights violation and yadda yadda.

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      When you imprison 1.6% of your population, with essentially zero due process, yeah, your crime rate is going to go down.

      Crimes against humanity aren’t counted in the crime rate, naturally.

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        True. It is very messed up. It’s one of those situations where there is a positive outcome that will look good for awhile, but it will probably not remain good forever, if they continue to arrest people. At some point it will go from violent criminals to whatever excuse they can make to imprison people. And woop, here we are today. It is happening.

        I understand why the prison happened and I understand why the population of El Salvador was happy about their president’s decision to crack down hard on crime, but when does it stop? When have they caught enough people? Because they say they won’t stop until every single criminal has been taken off the street and be me that sounds like they will start seeing ghosts everywhere.

        And that is still not even touching on the living conditions of the inmates.

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          These mass hearings — which can involve up to 900 detainees at a time — will prosecute entire criminal structures, rather than allowing defendants an individual trial. The move has sparked alarm, as human rights organizations claim at least 5,490 “direct, innocent victims” have been imprisoned by Bukele’s iron-fist policy.

          Teenagers are also tried as adults, by the way.

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