Feel free to report antisemitic comments, but antizionism isn’t antisemitism and acting like it is is antisemitic and will net you a ban starting once this comment is posted.
Reporting borderline stuff will not get you banned but as someone who had family at auschwitz I’m tired of blatant antisemitism in defense of a settler colonialist apartheid regime.
Hall of shame:
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Mmm, there’s nuance there. It can be exploited to push antisemitism, but it isn’t inherently antisemitic.
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As a Jew, I say this kindly as I possibly can but it very much is quite strong in the real world. I’ve experienced antisemitism numerous times over with people using antizionism as an excuse. Antisemitism is really bad and has risen in the past few years online and offline, and people with bad intentions absolutely exploit Israeli war crimes to justify their antisemitism. And it creates a shitty feedback loop as hardcore Zionists point to instances of antisemitism that’s in done under the guise of antizionism as “hey look see they hate us thats why we need zionism!”
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Any group. Antisemitism is unfortunately a unique form of racism that can be perpetuated by anyone. It’s complicated, and it’s complexity makes it all the more frustrating. It’s not just a Nazi thing, it’s an anyone thing. Anyone can perpetuate antisemitism, not just Nazis. That’s why it’s such a prevalent form of bigotry across the world. It’s also prevalent not just in Europe but there is antisemitism that has been culturally common in the Middle East as well as it is in the West, most of it which predates Israels founding as a whole too. That doesn’t justify Israels bullshit and their fascist government. Jew’s are hated by nearly everyone, everywhere.
Because West media purposely masking Israel with the cloak of cultural protection given to Jews is often what I discuss with my friend and is fucking disgusting and a disservice to all of the innocent Jews.
This specifically is something to be very careful when stating, as it veers dangerously close into territory of “jews control the media” which is an antisemitic conspiracy theory. I know what you are trying to say and our intentions seem to be in good faith here, but I ask you to analyze that as it is one of those things that people may take in very bad faith.
https://www.ushmm.org/antisemitism/what-is-antisemitism/explained <- this is a good primer for it. It’s extremely complicated and there’s a reason why even in the US many well intentioned people don’t understand it either. It also doesn’t help that Israel uses legit examples of antisemitism to try and shield their war crimes from criticism.
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There’s a difference between antizionism and antisemitism. Just as there’s a difference between Israel and Jews.
Blame Israel, it’s anti Israel. Blame the Jews, it’s antisemitism.
Also any expression of support for the Israel led genocide of Palestinians or any sort bigotry will not be tolerated as per Rule 3.
Thank you.
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Antisemitism explicitly refers to hatred of Jews, it’s a weird linguistics thing but its why when referring to antisemitism there isnt a dash (anti-semitism) as that would specifically refer to all semites as a whole (which palestinians are). It has roots to the specific phrase that was used in German to refer to hatred of Jews.
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Don’t attempt to explain my own peoples hatred to me. I know more than you as I’ve lived this, as a Jew who is explicitly not a Zionist and has faced antisemitism online and offline. Stop.
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Associated Press: Hamas militant group has started a war that ‘Israel will win,’ defense minister says
New York Times: Gaza and Israel on War Footing After Militants Launch Surprise Assaults
Arab News: Hamas launches surprise attack as gunmen enter Israel
Israel Hayom: Hamas claims dozens of Israelis captured in surprise offensive; 4 Israelis killed by rocket fire
RT: Hamas launches major attack on Israel
SCMP: Rocket barrages from Gaza strike Israel amid Hamas infiltrations
Xinhua: Barrages of rockets fired from Gaza into Israeli cities
The Guardian: Israel declares state of war after Hamas fires thousands of rockets and ‘militants cross border’
BBC: Palestinian gunmen infiltrate Israel after rocket barrage from Gaza
Down with the settler government
We need international peacekeeping in the region to enforce a new set of accords
The international community has shown to be Pro-Israeli and thus anti-Palestinian. The Palestinian Plan for Partition was a plan to peacefully split up British Palestine into a separate Jewish and Arab state, as well as Jerusalem becoming a free city. The plan gave 62% of the land to the Jewish community despite the Arabic population having twice the population. Obviously the Arab population rejected this plan on the basis that it violated the right to natuonal self-determination, and thus this perpetual conflict was born.
Especially with the US being so obviously Pro-Israel and having virtually all power on the decision-making of the West, why would you think the Arab population would ever get fair treatment under an international “peacekeeping” mission?The “international community” huh?
More like “the US and it’s friends”
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Well, yeah, the US and its allies are the controlling party in the international community.
@bdonvr @zephyreks Yes please, but not like this!
Very disappointed in the Lemmy community for down voting this.
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When you limit yourself to specific incidents, it’s easy to judge right and wrong. Over the course of years, though, neither side can claim the moral high ground.
Overall, this is one of the most pointless, wasteful, and inhumane conflicts in human history.
Personally, when dealing with two groups who claim the same land, I side with the one that’s been there the longest, not the one that shouldered it’s way in, demanded a room, and started shooting anyone who told them to leave.
But the US kind of has a penchant for that.
Killing - no matter the victim is inhuman.
Believing one side has the right to kill while the other must take it, is pretty gross.
“Slaughtering civilians in the streets” is precisely what the IDF does on the regular, just so you know. It’s hard to imagine any group of people would live under military occupation for 70+ years after being forced to leave their homes for refugee camps without the desire to fight for their freedom.
There is almost nothing in this world that is more human than killing other humans. History is full of it. Religious texts are full of it. It’s what humans are best at. Is it awful? Sure, but it’s an act as human as it gets.
Point made. Sadly it’s true. Especially today as we spend trillions on technology designed to kill.
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Sorry, but I have been an advocate for Palestinian rights for years. I’m not just shilling out propaganda on the day of a massacre. As I type this, the confirmed death tolls have Israelis near 100 while Palestinian deaths are near double that. So if you want to start talking about massacres, just so far today Israel has caused more death, let alone the days, weeks, months, years and decades prior to today.
Isn’t that what the IDF does?
The IDF was just rounding up innocent civilians this week, you gotta look at a bigger picture than just this morning.
Imagine being brutalised for so long you resort to this
Agreed. Which is why the IDF also needs to be eliminated.
Both sides are and have been commiting atroscious acts against civilians and neither side can be excused for their inhuman actions.
But in that consideration the power imbalance cannot be ignored. The IDF is a highly modern, most likely even nuclearly armed army, wheras the people inside Gaza are denied access to such simple things as building materials by the Israeli Apartheid.
Absolutely agree with you here
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That’s what op was advocating for. Or did you forget that Israel is an apartheid state?
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The illegal settlements that are condemmed by the UN? Yeah sound about right to let murderous religious fundamentalist occupiers just occupy. You say the same to the Ukrainian people fighting the Russian invasion? They should just come to terms with Crimea being occupied?
i want to wake up to a world without Israel
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It’s almost like people don’t like it when a bunch of outsiders move into their land & kick them off.
Free Palestine!
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Can I introduce you to all of human history?
Yeah but the rest of human history didn’t involve the threat of nuclear annihilation always looming on the horizon.
Mass genocide happening: I sleep
They fight back one time: OMG IM SO SCARED FOR THE FUTURE OF HUMANITY
I am a realist. What do you think is going to happen to Palestine in the near future if both or any one of them escalates?
The top comment in this thread is
i want to wake up to a world without Israel
This goading and dangerous rhetoric is spewed by the uniparty in reverse, i.e against Palestine right now.
Here is a measured response btw
Just going to ignore the fact that Israel has been escalating for well over the last decade??
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Russia opened that can of worms.
The invasion of Palestine started a very, very long time before the war in Ukraine. Also those two things are completely unrelated.
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Nah, Russia is just another symptom of the broad-based rise in instability. Russia is making the most of it - and they are not alone. A few regimes are getting their shit sorted so that they can hunker down for the next few decades. Or not. Chaos is a ladder, after all.
Those 8 fascists who downvoted every single comment in support of Palestine, show yourselves.
I guess two of them either got themselves banned already or had me blocked.
Israeli air raids have hit the Gaza Strip after Hamas announced the start of Operation Al-Aqsa Flood against Israel.
The group running the besieged enclave says it has fired thousands of rockets towards Israel. Several casualties have been reported.
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I remember being in school back in like 97,98 the teacher would turn on the news in first period. All I remember was everyday that school year there was coverage of Israel and Gaza blowing each other up.
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From the river to the sea!
