Playing some Counter-Strike 2 and then a GNOME donation notification pops up 😅
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GNOME alone is like 60% of the reason why stock Ubuntu and all of its derivatives suck. It’s like a mashup of ChromeOS and MacOS, two of the most god awful UX designs this past decade.
Compiz by itself kicks GNOME out of the water, despite it being a now legacy compositor from 2007.
Most annoyingly, even RPM distros like Fedora offer it as default, despite having a fully supported KDE option right there, along with any other DE that you might want like XFCE, LXQt, Cinnamon, MATE, etc.
I don’t completely hate MacOS, it’s pretty nice IMO.
GNOME instantly gets replaced by KDE Plasma though. With Cosmic also installed for some fun alpha testing.
Nevermind the donation pop-up, how can people use gnome? It’s unusable, it interface is literally the worse UI I’ve ever had the displeasure of using only second to macOS.
I believe that gnome is actually what is keeping many people away from gnu/linux, since it’s default on many distros, people install “linux” and they get gnome and gnome sucks so they hate on linux instead of hating gnome.
I use it and like it. No strong opinion here, it just works well for me.
I was into it back when Gnome 3 came out… the problem is that I had to fill too many “holes” (for me, maybe not for everyone) in the functionality with extensions and those were quirky as fuck. You never knew what was going to stop working (or work differently) any day but without them, I could not function properly
And just to give you an idea of how tolerant I am with risk… my daily driver now is Garuda Linux with Hyprland instead of a desktop that I configured from scratch… my browser of choice is FireDragon which is a fork of Floorp which is a fork of Firefox
I am certain it is better now than it was back then… but once you are comfortable with an environment, it is a pretty tall order to switch around.
Well, I use it, I like it, and I can confidently say it’s not for everyone
You gotta think the gnome way. Like, for example, I don’t feel the absence of the minimize button because I adopted gnome’s workspace-based flow
It doesn’t get in my way, I don’t even feel its existence most of the time. Gnome 3 sucked and definitely got in my way but beware that I am talking about gnome 4x here.
Context: I’m an i3 and plasma user depenending on my machine with one exception.
I find Gnome to be in the way 100% of the time, until I put the mist and konquer down and start using the touchscreen. Its a nice DE for touch oriented devices, but it really sucks to navigate with moist and keybread imho.
Edit: the one time I don’t fix my spelling someone comes along and says something. I’m gonna make it worse 😈
Ah, yes, the classic …
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noise and keyboard
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moist and keyboard
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morse and keyboard
Re: edit
Yes! Embrace the typo. Elevate it to art!
moist and keybread
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Gnome also has a few nice things that I miss whenever I try kde or cosmic. It really depends on what you need from your DE.
I do not like cosmic. They remove random features i use a ton.
Like accessing a file address in the address bar. Why. Why can it not show the file path.
Also keyboard shortcuts rarely work. If I extract and archive, I have to mouse it all. No alt+e for extract here, nope.
Also pop shop on popos is horribly optimized.
What’s wrong with the MacOS UI? It works pretty well, and is pretty easy to pick up. Some of the biggest complaining I heard back in the day is that the close/min/max buttons were on the other side and someone who can’t handle that doesn’t have an opinion worth entertaining. Most of it was just a extreme refusal to learn out of spite which is more embarrassing for them than an argument.
I don’t hate macOS, and I don’t even know if I consider it worse than Windows, but here are a few things I dislike.
- Overuse of icons with no clear way to turn on labels combined with a weirdly high time for tooltips to appear makes things confusing.
- Finder doesn’t have a way to just go up a directory or easily type/get the path of the current folder. The home folder is not in the shortcut area by default.
- “Alt tabbing” between windows behaves very differently, though it’s not necessarily worse, just different. Command tab switches programs. Command back tick switches windows of that program. So if you want to switch between windows of a browser it is a different shortcut. This one is entirely opinion based. But still, there’s no way to change the behavior.
- Notifications go away after a very short time period or stay forever. There isn’t an easy way to get them to stick around longer without making them stay until you dismiss them. It’d be nice to have a middle ground between a few seconds and forever.
- Closing a window doesn’t necessarily close a program. Like the “alt tabbing” thing this is opinion based too, because these approaches both technically predate the other approach. Sometimes you close a window and it has a dot on the task bar meaning it’s still running. It’s very odd.
.2. Not the most intuitive, but ctrl+click on the current dir name in the finder window and you get a small little drop down of the current path where you can choose which dir to go to
Finder is ass, no feature to get filepath, no feature to open location in terminal, no way to go to parent folder (the button that looks like it does this actually is a “back” button that takes you to previous location).
Also you can’t quit Finder for some reason. On my Debian VM I can quit Dolphin. Finder is probably embedded to show files on the desktop. (I’ve never understood having the desktop be a directory, seems like bloat to me.)
Overall the DE is a lot worse than Plasma:
- Why isn’t the Dock (taskbar that eats 300 to 1200 MB of ram) a screen edge for moving windows
- Why won’t you let me customize stuff
- Why are app actions in the DE top bar rather than the window name bar
It’s also a walled garden that intentionally makes compiling apps for it hard for small devs (you need to be verified by apple to have your app not be flagged as “probably a virus”)
The only good thing about MacOS is that it is a very stable OS that rarely needs fixing.
I’m installing Asahi Linux as soon as it supports DisplayPort over USB-C.
- I’m not really sure why this is a major sticking point but if you truly cannot find apps because their name isn’t showing then you just need swipe for launchpad and start typing, they’ll show up. If you have that many apps that look the same I’m really not even sure what you’re up to or how you pulled it off.
- Correct, this is ass and I have no clue what the hell is going on. I think there is a way but it should be easier, and the default, and it is incredible that it’s been like this for so long.
- Sounds like a you problem. There are so many ways to make do it the way that works best for you and with their trackpad, which is objectively better than any other trackpad out there, it’s super easy. You can pull fingers together to show everything on that desktop or uses a few fingers to swap between desktops. You can keep stuff on the side of a desktop, too. There are so many options to make it work and pretty much all of them respond to a simple wave of your hand.
- What an odd complaint. It’s a notification just to tell you something is happening that you should then go look for, and you can swipe and see them all so I really don’t understand what the big deal is. I have mine for always on because I can be forgetful, and my phone is set to remind me of texts 3 different times over the course of 0-4min so I don’t miss them.
- Yea, sometimes you need to fully quit a program. I can’t exactly say why it does it that way instead of making closing the program instant death but it’s never really bothered me. There Windows programs, for example, that also need to be fully closed but they won’t tell you and will just have a bunch of stuff running that you can see in task manager. It’s not an exclusive quirk it simply just that MacOS doesn’t try to hide it.
Look, despite being largely completely unremarkable in either any positive or negative ways I will concede that Finder does have that major issue in #2 but the rest really aren’t issues, I’m sorry.
I mean, I never really said it was a big deal, I made it very clear. Why are you being so defensive about it lol. Are you a UI designer at Apple or something?
You literally said MacOS was the worst UI you’ve ever worked with. That’s a pretty strong stance, unless you’re hoping I don’t go back only a couple comments.
You literally started it and I’m sorry that I didn’t give you the validation you wanted. I’m not being defensive about it, you’re just wrong and embarrassed and that’s a you problem.
You’re mistaking me for Seefra 1. I said this.
I don’t hate macOS, and I don’t even know if I consider it worse than Windows, but here are a few things I dislike.
I did not say it was the worst UI I’ve ever worked with. There are a ton of things I like about it! I was just sharing a few things I dislike. Even in two of my points I said they were subjective.
Fair enough, but that’s why I announce myself when answering a question posed at someone else. Anyway, I’m allowed to defend my position as much as you are allowed to state yours and calling me “defensive” is still kinda weak behaviour.
📎 Looks like you’re trying to hold B! Would you like help with that?
Arch user here who enjoys Gnome because I started my Linux journey over a decade ago with Ubuntu. Tell me which desktop environment I should be using. Which desktop environment will make me question why I’ve spent so much time with Gnome?
If Gnome has worked for you the past ten years then keep using it.
KDE Plasma
GNOME is a great desktop environment. Ignore the people here who are whining; there’s always a bunch in any DE-related Linux post, regardless of the DE being discussed.
But, just to add to the discussion, KDE is the only real alternative as far as feature parity is concerned (that isn’t just a fork).
XFCE 😅
They all have pros and cons. If you like how it works out of the box, you’ve already won.
I ran Gnome for years with a collection of plugins and hidden gsettings to make it windows95-esque. Bottom bar, left apps, small bars, multi-screen, stacked windows, full time and date in the tray.
And every gnome update, a plugin or two would break, and I’d go find someone else’s plugin that did the same thing, but wouldn’t break.
Finally, I tried KDE on a new install, and it was exactly how I wanted it out, out of the box.
It’s been a long time now. For all I know, Gnome supports all that up front in config.
but if it’s how you want it, that’s all you need.
The issue is that GNOME is incredibly opinionated and makes it very difficult, if not impossible to configure some basic functionality that every other DE has options for. GNOME will work for you if you want a DE that works exactly the way stock GNOME works, but as soon as you want to change anything, you run into a brick wall. Nearly any other Linux DE can be configured to look and work similar to GNOME, but GNOME can’t be configured to work like anything other than the vanilla GNOME the devs insist you must use. It’s the antithesis of Linux IMO (modularity, reconfigurability, config-file-driven) and acts more like a MacOS skin.
Btw, you can buy M4A1-S for 1.8k in this game.
Gotta eco
That’s the price of the Galil, aren’t you mixing something up?
3800 $, no?
No, no, that would be more than the AUG. It’s 2900 $ these days. Used to be 3100 $ for a while, I think.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11tDzUNBq9zIX6_9Rel__fdAUezAQzSnh5AVYzCP060c/
What distro? I’ve been using GNOME on Ubuntu and Debian for the past five years and I don’t recall ever seeing a donation notification.
That is because it’s new to gnome 49, debian and Ubuntu aren’t bleeding edge to have them
I got exactly this notification on Arch last night
GNOME on Arch just feels so wrong to me…
I use hyprland by default but especially apps running under wine don’t really like tiling window managers, Wayland , or both.
I mean no judgement, don’t get me wrong. No need to defend yourself in any way. The whole joy of Linux is setting up your system how you want it. That totally checks out though.
LOL but it also felt “wrong” to me, because I initially felt “it’s too bloated and too dumbed down” - but after installing 20 extensions it matches my tastes
I’m not sure why people enable any notifications on their desktop in the first place.
To be notified of things that they want to know about.
“You are technically correct.”
“The BEST kind of correct.”
And even notifications they don’t want to know about for free!
GNOME lets you block notifications on a per application basis.
Whenever I start a game on my KDE desktop, the notifications get muted automatically. I have no idea why, because I really don’t remember setting it up. Maybe it’s a standard feature that was added at some point. It’s honestly pretty great though.
KDE turns on do not disturb mode when a program is in full screen mode by default.
You can test this by binding DnD to a button (preferable Meta key + unused letter like F), opening a program in full screen mode and toggling DnD.
This feature can be disabled in settings.
Is meta the official term for that key? I always called it the super key. Just curious
Only KDE calls it “meta”. Everywhere else it’s either “super” or “mod4”. The left Alt is sometimes called “meta” or “mod1”.
It’s not just kde, for example the backronym for Emacs is “esc meta alt ctrl shift”
the discussion you entered was not about whether “meta” exists as a key, but rather, which key is “meta”.
No, I was specifically responding to “only KDE calls it meta.”
From what I can see online the key is actually called the super key, but for some reason KDE Plasma calls it Meta on my device
Might be because I’m on a MacBook
I think it’s a default. It also tells me how many notifications I missed after closing the game.
I see you stopped playing because your game crashed. You got 76 notifications in the 20 hours you were playing. Take a shower, drink some water, and get some sleep you slacker.
I usually like being notified of messages in certain chats. But even with that I’d like to be able to choose which chats are allowed to disturb me no matter what and which ones should make noise but not that damn much!
I believe the notifications for donation on my KDE laptop (running Bazzite) are yearly so… hopefully you won’t be seeing it often
Recent versions of KDE also automatically enable Do Not Disturb mode whenever you launch a full-screen window so you won’t get interrupted by a notification anyway! Honestly surprised GNOME doesn’t do that as well.
They do.
It’s easy to test with
notify-send test, and yeah GNOME does block notifications while fullscreen applications are open. I wonder how that notification went through, maybe gamescope isn’t properly registering the fullscreen application or it’s x11 wine being the problem.My guess is they are using this:
https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1610/fullscreen-notifications/
I was also puzzling over this for a bit… I use Bazzite GNOME on a Deck, and I can’t recall ever getting a GNOME notification while in fullscreen anything, video or videogame, launched in desktop mode, and certainly never in the ‘game mode’ (I believe that is when gamescope is active, right? at least with the Deck variant of Bazzite?).
But yeah anyway, this is my guess, the user manually installed this extension and is apparently annoyed that it is doing its intended function.
… Either that, or… maybe they’re using a … somewhat to moderately out of date version of GNOME?
Well, good work looking into it!
But uh… oh neat, there’s a critical override behavior… for… effectively an advertisement… great.
Rather concerning to watch what appear to be a bunch of GNOME devs rationalize opening up a very likely exploitable spear phishing vector because ‘donating to a non profit is good.’
Welp, if/when that gets rolled out, I am guessing somebody is going to make some kind of extension or script that turns that shit off.
Let’s put things into perspective, it’s a biyearly notification that sustains the entire gnome ecosystem, I’ll remind you that the GNOME foundation pays for the hosting costs, the paperwork and sometimes even development for the GNOME project that includes dozens of apps, libraries and GTK.
This is just the first implementation that will get ironed out in the next few years, like making sure it doesn’t pop up in full screen windows and if you read through the issue there will also be an opt out in the settings.
Don’t be a loser with no defuser!
Just use Linux Mint.
So GNOME is getting encrapified, just like KDE is. This is why I don’t use either or, and just stick to WM’s on X11/XLibre.
1/10 ragebait not even close
Observations aren’t considered ragebaiting. That sounds completely silly, in my opinion.
xlibre
lol alright enjoy
For anyone missing the context, xlibre is an X11 fork made by a guy salty he was banned from Red Hat for posting right wing conspiracy theories: https://linuxiac.com/xlibre-xserver-project-plans-revival-of-x11/
Strange, nowhere in the article you linked to does it say that “he was banned from Red Hat for posting right wing conspiracy theories”.
So far, we have not seen any official statement from the CoC team at freedesktop.org explaining why metux was banned. Could you please provide a source for your claim?
Enrico Weigelt. He’s also an anti-vaxxer moron. To quote his own words on the LKML: https://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/2106.1/04542.html
And I know a lot of people who will never take part in this generic human experiment that basically creates a new humanoid race (people who generate and exhaust the toxic spike proteine, whose gene sequence doesn’t look quote natural). I’m one of them, as my whole family.
So yes, sure, nobody can stop people that think the pandemic is over (“we are vaccinated”) from meeting in person.
Pandemic ? Did anybody look at the actual scientific data instead of just watching corporate tv ? #faucigate
The only benefit I see in Xlibre is that it will attract idiots like him and and draw them away from projects with real merit.
What’s wrong with KDE?
They have the audacity to put up an unintrusive pop-up asking for donation once per year, the two seconds dealing with that out of every 31,536,000 seconds is just way too much
Being the bleeding edge solution, it sometimes breaks itself trying to do something new.
When did KDE Plasma break itself last time? I never had any breaking issues on Plasma 5 or 6 using Arch.
Same, but on openSUSE Tumbleweed.
I don’t believe my Plasma setup on Debian 13 to be bleeding edge.
Which is why you wait a week or four to upgrade.
GNOME and KDE are both supported primarily by donations. It’s the only reason they’re NOT shitty. I don’t think simply asking for donation makes them “encrapified”.
GNOME not being shitty is really debatable.
Yeah, i get it, wayland is so terrible, and pipewire even so, why do we need to do stuff in other ways when the old ways worked just fine for my specific use and had no problems that I understood anyway
I don’t have too many issues with PipeWire, but the issues come from Wayland, which happened to be more issues than fixes than X11.
X11 is broken on anything but a bog standard 1080p 60hz monitor. It cant handle dual monitor support, it cant handle dual refresh rates, HDR, DPI scaling, NVIDA anything, High refresh rates, synced frames.
I have a 1080p@120hz and 768p@50hz at all times with no issues, I have TearFree enabled on xorg, so I’ve never understood what people meant with this
do you have an nvidia card?
No
ok then you are in the 3% of people not having this issue congrats.
I have X11 on a 1440p, 180Hz MSI monitor, and it does just fine for me. People just don’t understand X11 anymore, and they seem to be the salty ones from the looks of things.
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Your screen tears and your dpi scaling doesnt work. Thats not “working just fine”. Its not that people dont understand X11 its that people are getting tired of being told to ignore half their features not working because a few people are used it them never working.
I had some issues back when I used an Nvidia GPU, but since switching to AMD, it’s just a smooth as X11 from a bugs perspective, and has better performance and features.
I don’t have that many issues on my NVIDIA GPU. NVIDIA just had bad drivers, realistically speaking, for years.
How? You can turn them off.
whats wrong with wayland wm’s like sway
Wayland is not ready for primetime, despite improvements. It will never be prepared for mass adoption, as it completely destroys and fractures the Linux community. Many X11 developers know this.
Lol. No.
