• plum@lemmy.ca
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    1 year ago

    They should learned fact-based sciences and important life skills, values should be taught by the parents.

    While I can agree with this in theory, I think it is impossible in practice. We like to think that science is objective and that all decisions can be made in a bubble. However, everything is intertwined and human subjectivity is always present in science.

    For example, intersex people are a fact. Some people can have both male and female sex organs. In addition, some people are sexually attracted to people of the same sex - this behaviour is present across the animal kingdom. Yet, if you taught this in a school, parents would complain about the “values” that these facts represent.

    In addition, where do you draw the line with secularization? Schools take time off for Christmas and Easter, which are Christian holidays. Sure, you can rename them “winter break” and “spring break” - and yet, the spring break still aligns with the Easter holiday each year.

    This society is built on Christian values. We need to recognize its existence in our everyday lives before we can begin to confront how it is harming members of our society and negotiate new ways of thinking.

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      1 year ago

      So when Christians stop being the majority religion in Canada, we can change things right?

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        1 year ago

        Yeah sure, and those changes will likely to be to the benefit of large corporations and make things worse for the working class.

        But don’t pay attention to that, remember… having fewer paid holidays will somehow benefit non-Christians.

        Come to think of it, I think something like 50% of our paid holidays are problematic in some way or another. Think of the profits I mean progressive values we could promote by eliminating them!

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            1 year ago

            Is “floating holidays” a new term for vacation time? Sure yeah businesses will be completely fine with fewer stat holidays so employees will have to use their “floating holiday time” (aka vacation time) for when they want to visit their family on Christmas. This benefits non-Christians because they will no longer get time and a half if they work on Christmas! It’s a win-win proposition! With businesses getting the win-win at the expense of all employees (bot Christian and non-Christian).

            It’s kinda like when they eliminated laws against shopping on Sunday. Before they did that retail workers had one day per week that they could make plans to be with their family. But now, retail workers have to be prepared to be called into work seven days a week. Can’t make plans on Sunday anymore, but it’s good to screw over all workers because it’ll upset Christians.

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              1 year ago

              The logical distinction between vacation time and a floating holiday would be employers being required to approve selected floating holidays, while they can generally deny vacation time at specific times.

              Whether that’s how they’re typically used. I have no idea

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      1 year ago

      The photos of Muslims trampling rainbow flags indicates that this isn’t a distinctly Christian thing. And there are plenty of atheists that are transphobic too.

      The main problem is we’re tribal. It’s easy to manipulate our tribal thinking to turn people against a group. Trying to turn people against Christians isn’t solving anything it’s just trying to fight tribalism with more tribalism.

      To a hammer, all problems look like nails. To an atheist, all problems look like religion. Historically, this line of thinking has never made anything better, it’s only made things worse.