DBZ has the best villains-turned-allies. I don’t think any of them could be considered morally “right” though, so I guess that means Piccolo, Vegeta, Yamcha and Tien all have dumptruck asses in canon.
Vegeta is like a little space hitler jr, has committed multiple planet wide genocides and his father King Vegeta wouldn’t have had it any other way.
lit is shown that Frieza demands this, enslaved the saiyans and have pushed them to do his bidding. From what I remember, we pretty much get 0 saipan history pre-frieza minus GT and that’s not canon.
All this to say “he was just following orders” holds up until maybe the cell saga. On namek I can give the man a lot of trauma and brainwashing and child soldier mulligans. Saving cell and letting millions suffer AFTER he’s ‘rehabilitated’ and then does it again for Babidi, THAT makes him a space Hitler Jr
But he’s got a great mustache
I like when the villain becomes the hero out of exhaustion. The good guy and bad guy just get tired of not getting along, but they spent so much time together that they just get along.
Jason Todd who?
Jason Todd was the second Robin. The first was Dick Greyson, who became Nightwing. Second was Jason Todd. Then the third was Bruce’s son Damien.
Jason was a hothead and often went against Batman’s orders. He ended up getting captured by Joker, who tortured him to death and sent the recorded footage to Batman to taunt him.
Depending on which storyline you follow, Todd was either brought back to life via the Lazarus Pits, (which is the same thing Ra’s Al Ghul uses to stay immortal,) or Joker faked his death so Batman would stop looking for him, then continued to torture him for weeks/months/years afterwards. In either scenario, Jason ends up getting free from Joker, and goes sort of crazy. Either due to the Lazarus Pits, (which has a side effect of driving the user a little more mad every time they use it,) or because Joker tortured him so badly.
He has a brief stint as a new supervillain, using his Robin training (intimate knowledge of Batman’s gear, knowing how Batman thinks, knowing how to fight against Batman, etc) to go up against Batman. Basically, he blames Batman for his torture, because Batman failed to rescue him from Joker. He eventually redeems himself, reconciles with Batman, and becomes Red Hood. Red Hood is sort of a Punisher type character, who has Robin’s training but isn’t afraid to use guns.
Then the third was Bruce’s son Damien.
Also forgetting Stephanie Brown, though she did have the shortest tenure.
Justice for Red Robin
Depending on which storyline you follow, Todd was either brought back to life via the Lazarus Pits, (which is the same thing Ra’s Al Ghul uses to stay immortal,) or Joker faked his death so Batman would stop looking for him, then continued to torture him for weeks/months/years afterwards.
Or he came back because Superboy punched the walls of reality and caused history to change.
No love for Tim Drake.
The second robin. He was captured by the joker then tortured and killed by him, he was then brought back to life via a lazurus pit (which Ra’s Al Ghul uses) and then went nuts but eventually redeemed himself and then became red hood.
Venom is still the Villan in most cannons, but I think the reason he’s the hero in his movies is 1. It’s his movies, of course he has to be the hero, and 2. He hasn’t meet deadpool in his movies.
Iirc Deadpool was actually Venom’s first human host.
Deadpool having 3 personalities was too much for Venom which is why he was so fucked up when he latched onto Spiderman. He was literally trying to put his head back together and that’s why Peter was able to reject him.
I stopped reading comics in the mid-90s, and my memory is a bit hazy, but doesn’t Venom predate Deadpool? Is this a later retcon?
I don’t think it was a retcon, so much as an alternate universe. Let’s be honest, the continuity of comics, is a fuckin mess.
But yeah, there’s a comic where Deadpool is the first human host for Venom and it causes Venom to go crazy, because he can’t deal with Deadpool’s multiple personalities and overall craziness.
Then he meets Brock, but Brock doesn’t bond at first, so venom finds Peter but because he’s weakened from Deadpool, Peter was able to fight Venom off.
That is true, but in the movie, venom skips deadpool and Peter so he’s a lot less evil and not broken.
Thanos also has a point
He could have snapped and make everyone to be smarter and learn about contraceptives and family planning.
Galactic population also would have been right back where it was in, at most, a few centuries. It was a stopgap solution at best. And his comics motivation wasn’t anything noble; he just wanted to bang Death and thought omnicide would turn her on.
Thanos spending decades trying to become the most powerful being in the universe in order to make sure life doesn’t outgrow the resources it depends on without once thinking that there was a solution other than murdering half of all life is not a convincing storyline.
Thanos spending decades trying to kill trillions of people because he was horny is a 100% convincing motive.
Disney would rather villainize environmentalism than incels.
same, I went into the movie hoping for a relatable “need goth gf” motivation and not the nonsensical Malthus stuff
And that’s a reason i can get behind
I don’t know about the comics, but there is real life result from having better education curtailing overpopulation. The Earth’s population as we speak is expected to plateau, as the rest of the developing countries are catching up economically and becoming better educated. I don’t see why the galactic population can’t be the same.
People still agree with Malthus?
I think it’s a teen / young adult thing. The proscriptive asceticism of it has a certain appeal before you have much in the way of life experience.
But then you realise we don’t actually have a resource problem.
Just gotta look at the instance. Lemmy ml means 99% chance they are marxist fascists aka tankies.
That’s not what I’ve observed
