Everyone needs a lesson in how tarrifs work. Tarrifs are a tax on thing that US companies buy. They are intended to make foreign products more expensive to protect domestic producers. So, the American company pays the tariff. They then pass that tariff on to their customer, either another company or an American consumer. Then, the country that the tariff had been applied to applies offsetting tarrifs on American goods.
When the product that the tariff is applied to can’t be produced in the US, think advanced microchips or Canadian softwood lumber, Americans pay more but still have to buy the foreign product. With the softwood lumber tarrifs the cost of building a home with Canadian softwood lumber went up by tens of thousands of dollars and Canadian companies laughed all the way to the bank. American consumers paid more and Canadian companies made record profits because the US can’t produce enough softwood lumber to meet its needs.
So, the price to American companies and consumers goes up and the cost of American goods overseas goes up. Americans pay the tarrifs and American companies sell less goods overseas.
America loses.
But think of all the failing business that will be super cheap to aquire! /s
Oh I have no doubt that the Blackrocks and Birkshire Hathaway’s of the nation are absolutely throbbing at the prospect. Literally diamonds. Those dusty old corpses won’t need their hourly viagra until 2030.
Lol the stock market went up by like 15% since he won or something like that. The big banks and holdings groups are wayyy up, same for tesla which just broke 1 trillion.
As it always does. In case you missed it all those things were hitting records all the way through Biden’s 4 years.
It’s a giant casino. And the only time real people feel it is when it crashes and suddenly shit costs way more than it did last week. It doesn’t matter to anyone worth less than 8 or 9 figures.
Yes. I was agreeing with you in the first place.
What I love… what I really love… is that this happened during the administration of Trump’s favorite president (other than himself), Andrew Jackson:
Hadn’t heard of this one, thanks. Americans are pros at not learning from history.
I thought this part was particularly funny/familiar:
It was a bill designed to fail in Congress because it was seen by free trade supporters as hurting both industry and farming, but it passed anyway.
Edit: That article lead me to this one, which gave me a good chuckle. How quaint: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petticoat_affair
these women, dubbed the “Petticoats”, socially ostracized Secretary of War John Eaton and his wife, Peggy Eaton, over disapproval of the circumstances surrounding the Eatons’ marriage and what they deemed her failure to meet the “moral standards of a Cabinet Wife”.
After further reading about Peggy Eaton’s childhood, kind of a bummer. Also, John Eaton pulled a King David/Bethsheba on her first husband, quite literally… That’s wild.
Once Timberlake told Eaton of his financial troubles, Eaton unsuccessfully attempted to have the Senate pass legislation that would authorize payment of the debts Timberlake had accrued during his Naval service. Eventually, Eaton paid Timberlake’s debts and procured him a lucrative posting to the U.S. Navy’s Mediterranean Squadron; many rumormongers asserted that Eaton aided Timberlake as a means to remove him from Washington, in order for Eaton to socialize with Peggy.
What a shithead. Literally sent him to fight pirates so he could bang the dude’s wife hahah
So in your example, I guess the tariffs don’t apply to Canada? Because the proceeds of tariffs go to the government of the country charging them.
I’m not sure what you’re asking. If you’re referring to softwood lumber the profits of Canadian lumber companies were at record levels because the US needs Canadian softwood lumber with or without tarrifs. The tarrifs didn’t affect sales at all so with the increased demand despite the tarrifs Canadian companies didn’t suffer at all. US consumers spent more and the money went to the US government which presumably gave some of the money to uncompetitive US softwood lumber companies to subsides their unprofitable operations. It’s a tax on US consumers.
Canadian softwood lumber companies pay a stumpage fee to sustainably harvest softwood on public land. US softwood lumber companies pay much higher prices to harvest lumber mostly on private land. It’s all about extracting the highest profit for the most wealthy people. Canada has a better system and the US is salty about it. The US has lost at the WTO every time but refuses to accept the result so it ignores its treaty obligations and just forges ahead with the illegal tarrifs which hurt US consumers.
Good. I hope he does it. Don’t let any of his yes-men or cronies tell him what a horrible idea it is. Let the whole fucking country burn.
Democrats, calling for deportations: Look at this disgusting tankie
This post is about tariffs.
… what
The joke is twofold:
- Some people, mostly authoritarian communists, claim that the ‘tankie’ is being used to describe anybody too far left.
- Democrats are by now very right on immigration.
Democrats will stop calling for deportation when they see what kind of bottom line putting people in labor camps brings.
Where so you think American farmers buy their fertilizer? Where they sell most of their soy and corn sell to? Maaaaany companies are either buying or selling to/from China. Many will go bankrupt, bany will struggle.
China is strengthening ties with Russia to replace u.s trade, and it shows that Putin is laughing his ass off at how he played a whole country, other than his I mean
TIL, lots of Trumps voters don’t even know how tariffs work and thought the foreign companies are the one who paid those instead of the domestic buyers themselves.
Even if, did they think prices would just stay the same? Tariffs only work if production is moved back home, which for many industries won’t happen, which means costs will be passed on to consumers.
Also, the costs would still be passed on to consumers even if the production was moved back home, because it will cost more in general. And gotta keep those profit margins up.
Doesn’t matter who the tax is levied against. All costs will be passed on to the buyer. They should be familiar with this idea. It’s the Republican’s key talking point against business taxes.
Rich get richer, poor people suffer. Americans are so f dumb i cant take it
Can someone please explain to me why he STILL doesn’t have any understanding of how tarrifs work?
You’re making the mistake in that his intention is to improve things.
He doesn’t have to make things better, he just has to say he has made them better. That’s all he’s ever done and it’s worked.
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A candidate that expressed nuanced understanding of economic principles would have been less likely to win the election.
A candidate that instead promises answers that intuitively sound right. If imports are expensive, then obviously the big business owners will build domestic and give us more money. If you get rid of immigrants, then the business owners will have to pay more for citizen workers. Simple answers that are easier for people to believe in.
Attempts to explain nuance? That ranges from nerds overcomplicating things and/or those darned liberal elites trying to truck them.
This cuts both ways. In 2020 Biden won not due to a more sophisticated understanding of things, but simply because things were bad, and the other guy therefore was the obvious choice. So to overcome an incumbent, you just have to have people believe stuff is bad, and provide some believable explanation that you could fix it.
he STILL doesn’t have any understanding of how tarrifs work?
How do you STILL think this isn’t all intentional? They know what they’re doing. They don’t care if we can afford it or not. This is about the conservatives’ bottom line, lol. They don’t care about you, America, China or whether any of it works.
It doesn’t do anything for their bottom life because the tariff is something we pay TO CHINA
A tariff is what you pay to the government of the port of call to get the item you shipped.
When you pay $1000 for a DJI drone and it get’s to Seattle the US government says “pay us $600 or it goes back on the boat.”
The Chinese company sees literally zero impact other than possibly less orders and probably a wave of refused merch. Which they might keep some or all of the purchase price of anyway.
Russia wants to pit the US and China against each other to distract and destabilize them both. So all of this is great for Russia’s bottom line.
The tariffs got them elected. The fallout of them is a write-off and not their problem. They were the means to an end for votes and swaying opinions and they did their job.
I believe that he does, and he knows shit will cost more, but he ALSO knows that his followers have no clue whatsoever. So prices will increase, and he’ll blame it on one of their many “others”. Keeping them scared and mad is the key to their control over them
His followers know he’ll deliberately cause instability, that’s what they want.
Some people want more expensive shit as long as its made in america or with american goods. Thats the point of a tariff.
But not the idiots that said inflation was their main issue. Trump told them 3 ways he’s going to economically hurt them 1. Tariffs 2. Raising taxes (unless you are 1%) and 3. Mass Deportation.
Because he is so senile his brain can’t follow a 3 step logic chain anymore.
Fuck.
It hasn’t even started yet and I know that I have 4 more years of this stupidity news ever single day
Oh wait
Since Trump will install himself as a dictator, then die, we have a few decades of couche fucker Vance to look forward to, yeeeiii
I’m not convinced we’ll go even a single decade of this regime without total socioeconomic collapse.
The Hitler lasted from July 1932, and Hitler killed himself in April 1945 - 13 years.
Mussolini lasted from 1922 to his execution in 1945 - 23 years.
Stalin lasted 1924-1953 - 29 years.
Fascism inevitably implodes and crates untold suffering along the way, but you might have longer than you think.
The main difference is that in equal measure to being a fascist, Trump is an idiot.
Fascism and idiots - I couldn’t name a more iconic duo - though I do agree with you point… Trump is exceptionally stupid, and has surrounded himself with gibbering idiots like Musk and RFK.
…that said, when Trump’s heart inevitably explodes, Vance will almost certainly have competent (evil) advisors, and they’ll get (horrible) shit done.
Isn’t this exactly what Trump said Harris was gonna do and that he was gonna not do?
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As someone who works for a large US-based company, we are locking in large contracts ASAP for compute power to hopefully keep us sated and avoid these from being an extinction event. We were already discussing some vendors not offering supply contracts already because they see the writing on the wall for their own profit margins
- Not true at all. Vile lies spread by the Democrats.
- Okay, maybe it is true, but it’s actually a good thing.
- Okay, maybe the results are catastrophic, but it’s actually the Democrats’ fault. The solution is higher tariffs.
So we’re going to put tariffs on things where there aren’t even domestically-sourced options? WTF?
That’s the point of tariffs…to give domestic supply a shot.
It’s stupid and short-sighted in a modern economy. It’s not worth it for any manufacturer to shut down existing mega factories and build new ones here. They won’t find enough people to do the jobs (especially if we deport/denaturalize a ton of people) and the costs and re-investments are huge.
Plus the only places that are left to build giant factories are distant from population centers. And I doubt there will be mass transit into them. So more pollution from personal transportation. And more pollution from local factories. Ripping the EPA to shreds will help with that, and that’s a part of agenda 47.
And you just know the ones that choose to come and build here are gonna get really nice tax breaks to do so, so there won’t be any real return for the community for a long time, if ever.
The end result is either they pass the costs into consumers, or they cut costs by laying off their expensive state-side employees and moving their positions abroad. American middle-class loses bigly either way.
The natural destination of the US is a giant for-profit prison that leases convicts to businesses.
Plus the only places that are left to build giant factories are distant from population centers.
You’re forgetting about eminent domain. Clearly, giant factory on American soil is a public good, even if it’s privately owned. Hence, the government will seize the homes and give the land to the corp. The prices of the houses will fall first, because who wants to buy a house that’s going to get bulldozed, reducing the compensation the government has to pay to the homeowners, potentially causing them to be upside down on their mortgages. This will leave them with nothing, or potentially even debt, when their homes get sized.
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Domestic supply of what ?
That’s exactly the problem. We don’t, and in many places can’t, make things here.
A lot has to do with access to resources. China is dominating in electronics in part because they essentially (but not really) colonized most the world that has good silicon.
But moving manufacturing around the world, to a place where literally everything is more expensive, is an costly endeavor that simply won’t be worth it for most businesses.
Isn’t thwre a single one RISC-V capable production line in the US? Imagine if Apple starts their own chip production.
There’s a reason TSMC does most of the world’s chip fabrication.
It’s complex and extremely expensive. Standing up a fab, in America no less, capable of handling Apple’s demand would be an astronomically expensive feat. Apple would never do this while TSMC is still an option. Even after the tariffs it would still probably be cheaper to use TSMC.
TSMC is for bleeding edge chip. 10nm and above are produced everywhere. Mostly 28nm, since it is the cheapest. It won’t be easy to build 5nm fabs but I bet still doable.
Also let’s be honest, unless the tariff is applied to everyone it’s gonna be cheaper to use another country as a middleman to trade with with China.
There are throngs of people already at work to find out how to gouge consumers by blaming tariffs without actually paying any.
Apple would probably produce ARM chips. They wouldn’t want to change architecture again so soon.
Because isolationism has worked out so splendidly for us in the past. Fuck this country.
Should I buy a new phone now instead of waiting until next October?
Theoretically Samsung and Taiwanese phones won’t be hit bad.
Pixel is Chinese right?
If I’m not mistaken it depends on the precise model. Cause they contract manufacturing out to more than one place.
I’m upgrading to 9800x3d now so I should be set until the end of Trump’s presidency.
I’m on a 5800x3d, pretty set right now, but that’s a good point…
